Leica Rigid vs DR

[pippy]

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34 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

More thinking on my part…!

As I always have some sort of filter in place when shooting with the M-D, Anthony, there is a good chance that I (as well as countless other here I am sure) can offer some advice which you might find to be of use.

Filter for Protection? Contrast-adjustment? 'Reflection-Orientation'? Shooting to capture 'Monochrome' images with a 'colour' camera? Please do Ask Away to your heart's content .

We are all here to offer-up the combined accumulation of collective wisdom garnered through our various experiences and are here to help as well as we can.

Philip.

[Anthony MD]

14 hours ago, pippy said:

As I always have some sort of filter in place when shooting with the M-D, Anthony, there is a good chance that I (as well as countless other here I am sure) can offer some advice which you might find to be of use.

Filter for Protection? Contrast-adjustment? 'Reflection-Orientation'? Shooting to capture 'Monochrome' images with a 'colour' camera? Please do Ask Away to your heart's content .

We are all here to offer-up the combined accumulation of collective wisdom garnered through our various experiences and are here to help as well as we can.

Philip.

The Rigid has a flare problem.

So I bought this polarizing filter…!

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Edited July 23, 2024 by Anthony MD

[jdlaing]

5 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

The Rigid has a flare problem…!

You’re thinking about that wrong. The rigid doesn’t have a flare problem. A photographer has a flare problem. 😃

[a.noctilux]

14 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

A photographer has a flare problem. 😃

- flare will not disappear with filter, in my experience quite the opposite

- use the lens a lot "nude"can avoid flarey situation

[Anthony MD]

53 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

You’re thinking about that wrong. The rigid doesn’t have a flare problem. A photographer has a flare problem. 😃

I’ll wear the filter…!

[jdlaing]

2 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

I’ll wear the filter…!

Nothing wrong with that.

[farnz]

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1 hour ago, Anthony MD said:

The Rigid has a flare problem.

FWIW, I've had my Rigid for 10 years or so and I haven't noticed a particular 'flare problem'.  My 35/1.4 Summilux pre-asph v2 and my 90/2.8 'thin' Tele-Elmarit-M will both readily flare unexpectedly (and are well known to do so) but my Rigid will only flare if I use it in ways I would expect it to flare, eg with the sun at the edge of the frame.  Other than that it doesn't and supports what JD said.

Pete.

[pippy]

27 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

The Rigid has a flare problem......So I bought this polarizing filter…!

As Arnaud has already said; using a filter of any sort will not eliminate flare...

The POOTR is a good Pola but if you are going to use either an IROOA or 12585 Leitz clip-on hood with your New-To-You Summicron the POOTR won't allow the hood to clip on the front-body of the lens as far back as it usually would with a 'normal' filter as the slight flange which sits half-way down the inner ring of these hoods will not get past the rearmost ('mounting') ring of the Pola.

These hoods will still attach - the clips will simply sit behind the mounting-ring - but there will be a couple of consequences which may - or may not - be minor niggles.

Firstly because the hood is sitting on the filter the front-most knurled rotating ring (to facilitate optimum polarisation orientation) will be deeper-set and, therefore, a little bit more fiddly to adjust.

Secondly (although not an issue AFAIK with the v2 50mm Summicron) the hood sitting on the ring might lead to corner cut-off with lenses of shorter focal lengths at certain camera-to-subject-matter distances and at certain apertures.

FWIW here is a montage I've rattled-off showing where the 12585 attaches (IROOA is positioned exactly the same) when the lens is used either 'naked' (or with a 'normal' Leitz 39mm filter fitted) as well as when the POOTR is in place. Lens is an old 35mm Summaron but for the purposes of the experiment it makes no difference;

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As the POOTR doesn't have a front-edge filter thread there is not the possibility to acquire a generic 39mm reverse-conical vented hood and to use it simply screwed on to the filter.

Best of luck with it when you have the whole shebang up and running!

Philip.

 

[Anthony MD]

22 minutes ago, farnz said:

FWIW, I've had my Rigid for 10 years or so and I haven't noticed a particular 'flare problem'.  My 35/1.4 Summilux pre-asph v2 and my 90/2.8 'thin' Tele-Elmarit-M will both readily flare unexpectedly (and are well known to do so) but my Rigid will only flare if I use it in ways I would expect it to flare, eg with the sun at the edge of the frame.  Other than that it doesn't and supports what JD said.

Pete.

The reviews on the Rigid said it lacked the coatings to help it reduce flare…!

[Anthony MD]

Those shots from the Rigid sent yesterday were with no filters.  The Zeiss had a graduated ND filter attached…!

Edited July 23, 2024 by Anthony MD

[pippy]

2 hours ago, jdlaing said:

The rigid doesn’t have a flare problem. A photographer has a flare problem. 😃

 

1 hour ago, Anthony MD said:

I’ll wear the filter…!

Cool! For a photographer to wear flares was once Very Groovy, Baby!...Yeah!!!

😺

Philip.

[farnz]

5 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

The reviews on the Rigid said it lacked the coatings to help it reduce flare…!

I offer you the benefit of my personal experience of ten years with the Rigid and you respond with theory/suspicion from one or more reviewers whose experience and credentials are unknown?  For the record my Rigid is coated.  But so are my 35 Summilux and Tele-Elmarit yet they both readily flare as mentioned in my previous post so perhaps the reviews you've read are incorrect.

You might not have any experience with the lens yourself but you might at least respect those who do and freely offer help. 

Pete.

[Anthony MD]

27 minutes ago, farnz said:

I offer you the benefit of my personal experience of ten years with the Rigid and you respond with theory/suspicion from one or more reviewers whose experience and credentials are unknown?  For the record my Rigid is coated.  But so are my 35 Summilux and Tele-Elmarit yet they both readily flare as mentioned in my previous post so perhaps the reviews you've read are incorrect.

You might not have any experience with the lens yourself but you might at least respect those who do and freely offer help. 

Pete.

Actually, the coatings on the Rigid are so old that they can’t perform as they should.  It’s like the coatings don’t exist anymore, if that makes any sense.

Not to mention cleaning the soft glass to rid of fungus and haze also rubs off the coatings…!

Edited July 24, 2024 by Anthony MD

[hansvons]

4 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

Actually, the coatings on the Rigid are so old that they can’t perform as they should.  It’s like the coatings don’t exist anymore, if that makes any sense.

While coatings age and lenses will get more prone to flare over time (many decades) the coatings of vintage lenses, nor the design were never "good enough" to prevent flares as we can see it with modern lenses. Old lens = flares.

Even moderately modern designs like the 35mm Summicron ASPH do flare when provoked. The same can be said about the 50mm Summicron V5. Both lenses can be bought new.

You may not like it, but flaring isn’t a bug per se. For many, most notably cinematographers, flares are a feature, and it matters how they look. That's the primary reason why vintage lenses prices went through the roof in cinema land.

If you dislike flares and understand them as a deficiency, there are lenses in the M world that don't flare (mostly). But they are modern designs.

Trying to fight flaring with filters wont work. On the contrary. Filters tend to amplify the "problem" but rarely in a likeable way. 

My advice is to embrace flares, use the hood and learn the lens’ ins and outs. This will cost a couple of rolls until you know what the lens does for you. If it turns out that it’s not supporting your creative vision, sell it.