What do you want from the M12-D?

[setuporg]

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I want the two key parts to the M12-D:

• it should be an M12
• it should be a D

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[Guest]

We need to get rid of the display AND all the buttons... so 2024!

Just integrate Alexa into the M12-D and all will be perfect..

"Hey Alexa, photograph the cat, make the background a bit blurry, and erase the fat bloke on the bicycle"

[evikne]

I'm expecting more serious responses as we get closer to the launch (which is still a long way off). 😄

[setuporg]

On a more serious note, blown highlights are the scourge and I'd love an indicator of those represented by the LEDs.  An easy way to toggle bracketing would help.

 

[Derbyshire Man]

I love the current M11D. The only thing I'd tweak is while keeping the ISO wheel on the back, resuscitate the top 'ISO' dial, the old 'ISO' dial on top could then instead have shutter type (mech, hybrid, electronic) and drive (single, slow, fast), WB 1, WB 2, selectable by turning to the relevant icon and pressing the top function button.

I've already patented it, contact me if interested in licensing.

[kkm]

As SD cards have unique identifier ISO and WB should be combined with the UID and set by the card. For expert users it should also be possible to choose the number of photos that can be stored on the card like 12, 24 or 36. More photos than the chosen limit cannot be saved within a couple of days if the limit is reached. This will make the analog feeling more intensive.

[hdmesa]

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2 hours ago, setuporg said:

On a more serious note, blown highlights are the scourge and I'd love an indicator of those represented by the LEDs.  An easy way to toggle bracketing would help.

 

A while back on this forum or over at FM, can't remember, I proposed that a histogram could be added to the rangefinder of a new model digital M just using more sophisticated array of LED lights. Many of us don't care to see the shutter speed or film-style exposure >|< indicators in the rangefinder, we'd just like to see that histogram. The traditional rangefinder display and the new LED histogram could be toggled via the function button if so assigned.

Leica could further innovate by being the first manufacturer to provide RGB histogram data taken directly from the DNG RAW file and display that in the rangefinder in a compact fashion with just dots:

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More realistically, they could just add the current single channel average histogram, which would be better than nothing. The "+" and "-" signs would flash when the data goes past the last indicators.

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[Squidproquo]

no foldout thumb-rest

loose the thumbwheel

enable to do key settings via camera using combinations of button settings (less reliance on Fotos for recurring settings)

only shoot DNG (loose all the JPG settings, one less thing to worry about)

8K video 

[Derbyshire Man]

8 hours ago, hdmesa said:

A while back on this forum or over at FM, can't remember, I proposed that a histogram could be added to the rangefinder of a new model digital M just using more sophisticated array of LED lights. Many of us don't care to see the shutter speed or film-style exposure >|< indicators in the rangefinder, we'd just like to see that histogram. The traditional rangefinder display and the new LED histogram could be toggled via the function button if so assigned.

Leica could further innovate by being the first manufacturer to provide RGB histogram data taken directly from the DNG RAW file and display that in the rangefinder in a compact fashion with just dots:

  –  • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •  + 0.7 R
  –  • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •  + G
  –  • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •  + B

More realistically, they could just add the current single channel average histogram, which would be better than nothing. The "+" and "-" signs would flash when the data goes past the last indicators.

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Canon did a good job with this in 1986, the T90 had multiple spot metering and I simply took a spot from the darkest shadow, lightest point and area of focus, I could then see all the histogram I needed in the form of lit dots seen on the scale, and used dials/aperture to place my exposure knowing what was happening to highlights and shadows. The inventive step is that using multi field metering this maximum, minimum and likely point of focus (or spot/centre waited in that mode) can be used to mark the scale and achieve the same effect instantaneously.

Good God, two patents in two days! I'm on fire!

 

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[downstairs]

No wifi. No Leica-Photos. Jpeg without precooked features. Memory card door elsewhere. . No flash exposure automation and a sync nipple elsewhere. Fixed one-stop bracketing.  It's not toy.

[setuporg]

4 hours ago, downstairs said:

No wifi. No Leica-Photos. Jpeg without precooked features. Memory card door elsewhere. . No flash exposure automation and a sync nipple elsewhere. Fixed one-stop bracketing.  It's not toy.

Edition 60 or M-D.  You described it.  Except no mysterious nipple.

[Smudgerer]

I'm about a month into owning the M11-D and apart from the first week of stupid confusion spent trying to understand how to set the damn thing up I am finding myself very content with the camera, ( coming from four years of ownership, shared with Wetzlar, of the M10-D that I did really like ). The only think so far that I would like to be able to change or add would be the facility to be able to change the resolution 18/36/60 without having to connect with Fotos, in fact I'd like less and less relience on Fotos to do anything on the M11-D or a likely M12-D down the road.............But I do think that we would be fooling ourselves if we think or hope that Leica will add any more facility to the M11-D, they did not do so with the M10-D and I'm pretty damn sure that it will be the same with the M11-D..........I hope to be proven wrong.

[evikne]

9 hours ago, Derbyshire Man said:

Canon did a good job with this in 1986, the T90 had multiple spot metering and I simply took a spot from the darkest shadow, lightest point and area of focus, I could then see all the histogram I needed in the form of lit dots seen on the scale, and used dials/aperture to place my exposure knowing what was happening to highlights and shadows. The inventive step is that using multi field metering this maximum, minimum and likely point of focus (or spot/centre waited in that mode) can be used to mark the scale and achieve the same effect instantaneously.

Good God, two patents in two days! I'm on fire!

 

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I wonder how anyone has time to check all this before taking a picture. It certainly doesn't suit my type of photography. I mostly use Sunny 16 (or at least my own version of it) and that's it.

But it can certainly be nice to have for some.

Edited October 23, 2024 by evikne

[Derbyshire Man]

6 minutes ago, evikne said:

I wonder how anyone has time to check all this before taking a picture. It certainly doesn't suit my type of photography. I mostly use Sunny 16 (or at least my own version of it) and that's it.

But it can certainly be nice to have for some.

It takes about 3 seconds and only has to be done once for a portrait or landscape session🤣, click, click, click, rotate iso wheel/aperture/shutter once, keep taking shots until the light changes.

[hdmesa]

17 minutes ago, Smudgerer said:

I'm about a month into owning the M11-D and apart from the first week of stupid confusion spent trying to understand how to set the damn thing up I am finding myself very content with the camera, ( coming from four years of ownership, shared with Wetzlar, of the M10-D that I did really like ). The only think so far that I would like to be able to change or add would be the facility to be able to change the resolution 18/36/60 without having to connect with Fotos, in fact I'd like less and less relience on Fotos to do anything on the M11-D or a likely M12-D down the road.............But I do think that we would be fooling ourselves if we think or hope that Leica will add any more facility to the M11-D, they did not do so with the M10-D and I'm pretty damn sure that it will be the same with the M11-D..........I hope to be proven wrong.

All of the info that can be toggled through in the rangefinder should be changeable by simply pressing the rear wheel to activate edit mode, then turning the rear wheel to cycle the choices, then pressing the rear wheel to commit the change. They could easily add the resolution mode to that.

[Smudgerer]

15 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

All of the info that can be toggled through in the rangefinder should be changeable by simply pressing the rear wheel to activate edit mode, then turning the rear wheel to cycle the choices, then pressing the rear wheel to commit the change. They could easily add the resolution mode to that.

I agree, but pessimistic that Leica will in fact add any features / facility...............

[downstairs]

56 minutes ago, setuporg said:

Edition 60 or M-D.  You described it.  Except no mysterious nipple.

The vintage sync connector was protected by a nipple.  The present hot-shoe connector precludes using the Visoflex.  

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[downstairs]

A flash trigger on the hot-shoe means sitting or kneeling to focus.

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[setuporg]

37 minutes ago, downstairs said:

A flash trigger on the hot-shoe means sitting or kneeling to focus.

Of course one has to kneel before the Leica deities.

[JNK100]

I am inclined to skip the 12 and 13D and see what the 14D is like.