Survey Improvement Leica M11 Firmware 2.1.1

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On 6/25/2024 at 11:03 AM, LUF Admin said:

Leica recently released firmware 2.1.1 for the various M11 models, which should fix many of the freezes.

We would now like to find out with this survey whether you, as Leica M11 users, can confirm this in practice and in comparison to version 2.0.2 or whether you still find errors.

Important: Only answer this survey if you are shooting with an M11 / M11-P or M11 Monochrom and have the latest version 2.1.1 installed.

Thank you for your support!

Andreas

» Survey Improvement Leica M11 Firmware 2.1.1

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[elmars]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb goodbokeh:

Is there yet a defined end date for the 2.1.1 firmware survey and publishing of the results? This firmware (or the next) will likely influence a M11-P purchase decision for me. I feel like time is starting to press. The way things look (politically) I'm expecting an additional 10% tariff on all imported products coming into the US sometime in 2025.

Adding to that, I recently read about a possible Leica EVF model design over on the LSI website. If a new Leica model similar to that LSI design came about it would conform with the Leica Rumors site regarding the M12. The LSI design is a very complicated machine, not what I expected for a EVF model. So more bugs in the offering...

https://leicasocietyinternational.org/blog/s9iaxooiojfjcevebmnk5x6ewhjykh

Leica continues to work on the stability of the firmware. Perhaps you can wait a few more weeks.

[goodbokeh]

14 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Why worry about what is undoubtedly not coming until the M12? (Second half of your post)

Regarding the M11-P, I don’t think that would be a good way to judge your decision. Think of how niche this forum is compared to all Leica users, then think about what percentage of us respond to something like us. You’d be better off asking your Leica dealer what their returns/complaints are like with the M11-P. If you can’t trust them to give you honest feedback about post-sales issues, I would buy your Leica from someone else.

Well hdmesa talking with a Leica dealer is a very good idea so thanks. But I will still value what this survey says. Over the years I've concluded most forum members here and on Fred Miranda give the straight poop and are pretty accurate on issues.

[jonoslack]

1 hour ago, goodbokeh said:

Is there yet a defined end date for the 2.1.1 firmware survey and publishing of the results? This firmware (or the next) will likely influence a M11-P purchase decision for me. I feel like time is starting to press. The way things look (politically) I'm expecting an additional 10% tariff on all imported products coming into the US sometime in 2025.

Adding to that, I recently read about a possible Leica EVF model design over on the LSI website. If a new Leica model similar to that LSI design came about it would conform with the Leica Rumors site regarding the M12. The LSI design is a very complicated machine, not what I expected for a EVF model. So more bugs in the offering...

https://leicasocietyinternational.org/blog/s9iaxooiojfjcevebmnk5x6ewhjykh

The Leica Society article is fascinating - but it's about electronically duplicating the rangefinder experience (why would you do that?)  and it was speculating, not a rumour. As for Leica Rumors - they are pretty good at stuff coming out next month, but notoriously awful about things coming out next year! Remember his aim is to get clicks, not to be accurate! 

It was almost exactly 5 years between the M10 and M11, which came out in 2022 - on that basis we aren't likely to get an M12 until 2027, possibly later. Of course there are likely to be more variants of the M11 in the meantime!

All the best

 

 

[marchyman]

Release years ignoring the variants...

2006 M8
2009 M9
2012 M
2017 M10
2022 M11

 

[RMF]

6 hours ago, elmars said:

Leica continues to work on the stability of the firmware. Perhaps you can wait a few more weeks.

Could be more than a few weeks; using a rough estimate the delta between 2.1.1 and 2.02 was about 6 months and the most current/recent firmware update I would have considered would have been marked ‘critical’ with all hands on deck. It takes time to diagnose, debug, code, test, check for regressions (big one), test again, alpha, beta, etc.. I do wish it will come sooner, and my fingers are crossed… but @leica please don’t rush and add any more regressions ☹️
 

It’s nice that they are offering us the opportunity for direct feedback, the scary part it that it sort of allows us to assume that they are unsure of the reasons why issues are still occurring with some/all M11 bodies.  I do wish they released more extensive release notes with each firmware update including a list of fixes, as well as list of still known issues, and perhaps ‘no-fix’ or ‘as per design’ 

 

 

 

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Edited July 2, 2024 by RMF

[goodbokeh]

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6 hours ago, elmars said:

Leica continues to work on the stability of the firmware. Perhaps you can wait a few more weeks.

Oh sure elmars time is not a big issue yet. The firmware fix has to be good for me to make a purchase, so how this questionnaire turns out would be helpful. I also note what Jono mentions about special editions yet to come. Silver would be my standard MP choice but a Black Paint, Reporter, or Ghost body would be very nice.

[hdmesa]

2 hours ago, goodbokeh said:

Oh sure elmars time is not a big issue yet. The firmware fix has to be good for me to make a purchase, so how this questionnaire turns out would be helpful. I also note what Jono mentions about special editions yet to come. Silver would be my standard MP choice but a Black Paint, Reporter, or Ghost body would be very nice.

I'm waiting on the M11 Safari, but I fear the Reporter may replace it in the lineup. It's hard to keep passing up the M11-P if the Safari is never coming.

[fotokasper]

Am 25.6.2024 um 11:03 schrieb LUF Admin:

Leica recently released firmware 2.1.1 for the various M11 models, which should fix many of the freezes.

We would now like to find out with this survey whether you, as Leica M11 users, can confirm this in practice and in comparison to version 2.0.2 or whether you still find errors.

Important: Only answer this survey if you are shooting with an M11 / M11-P or M11 Monochrom and have the latest version 2.1.1 installed.

Thank you for your support!

Andreas

» Survey Improvement Leica M11 Firmware 2.1.1

When will it be possible to see the results?

[LUF Admin]

2 hours ago, fotokasper said:

When will it be possible to see the results?

The details are complex, valid statements make only sense, if you cluster replies over all questions.

What we can say:

• 80% use M11, about 20% use M11-P, 20% Monochrom (sum > 100% as multiple choice available)
• Share of users without freezes doubled => FW 2.1.1 has fixed the most relevant issues
• Some users still experience freezes

The description of the freezes helps Leica to track down the remaining issues, more updates will follow.

Andreas

[goodbokeh]

10 hours ago, hdmesa said:

I'm waiting on the M11 Safari, but I fear the Reporter may replace it in the lineup. It's hard to keep passing up the M11-P if the Safari is never coming.

Yes, I would prefer the Safari also but the Reporter seems to be the new version. I hope Leica can get the kevlar-aramid wear improved but maybe I need to look at it as textile black paint.

Edited July 2, 2024 by goodbokeh
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[crons]

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[crons]

11 hours ago, fotokasper said:

When will it be possible to see the results?

So..

Is the freezing issue on the M11 (any of them) still affecting most users after the update. Yes or No. 

Anyone know?

Edited July 2, 2024 by crons

[Malabito]

1 hour ago, crons said:

So..

Is the freezing issue on the M11 (any of them) still affecting most users after the update. Yes or No. 

Anyone know?

No one really knows... only Leica, and if yes is the answer, I'm pretty sure they won't give a clear answer. In my case, the update didn't improve or worsen the freezes. I am still getting very seldom freezes, (so it's not really a critical issue), but now I've gotten upside-down images, which I wasn't getting before.

 

[lct]

I mentioned a couple of minor freezes under FW 2.1.1 previously (link). Happened a couple of times on M11 with coded lenses when switching camera on. No red light, no shutter noise, black screen. Half press shutter release fixed the issue then, but freezes happened again today. This time, half pressing the shutter release did nothing. The SD card (Sony Tough) was the culprit apparently. Sufficed it to remove it and the camera worked fine again with internal memory only or together with internal memory and Sandisk SD cards. Just for info.

Edit: Sorry but the previous freezes happened again with Sandisk card. Half press the shutter release fixed the issue the same way as previously.

Edited July 2, 2024 by lct

[crons]

3 hours ago, Malabito said:

No one really knows... only Leica, and if yes is the answer, I'm pretty sure they won't give a clear answer. In my case, the update didn't improve or worsen the freezes. I am still getting very seldom freezes, (so it's not really a critical issue), but now I've gotten upside-down images, which I wasn't getting before.

 

It’s ridiculous at this point. 

[michaelbrenner]

FREEZE REPORT:  Using firmware 2.1.1, just had a freeze when attempting to focus 6-bit-coded 50/2M-APO on M11 body while zooming simultaneously using wheel and viewing through attached Leica Visoflex 2 Electronic Viewfinder.  The camera froze as if an exposure had been taken and the zoom function of course did not work.  To clear the problem, I switched the camera off, waited about 2 seconds, and then turned the camera back on.  There were no further issues.

I admit this was especially inconvenient as I was attempting to capture an owl in flight about 15 feet away.  Needless to say "the moment" was lost because of the camera freezing up.  Prior to using the 50/2M-APO, I had been shooting with the 280/4R-APO with a R-Adapter-M, with the lens setting manually set to that lens.  I had just changed lenses (with the camera powered down) to the 50/2M-APO, powered the camera up, and was then attempting to change focus as described above when the camera froze up.

[Ulli Mueller]

Hi,

Since I have upgraded to firmware version 2.1.1 I have not yet experienced any freezes, but unfortunately I am still getting occasionally corrupted DNG files on high-quality SD Cards (SanDisk 128GB Extreme PRO SDXC UHS-II). Super frustrating and unacceptable. Fortunately I could salvage the respective DNGs from internal memory.
I am always using DNG+JPG set to IN=SD, all data is stored on both internal memory and SD card.

Regards,
Ulli Mueller

 

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[michaelbrenner]

14 minutes ago, Ulli Mueller said:

Hi,

Since I have upgraded to firmware version 2.1.1 I have not yet experienced any freezes, but unfortunately I am still getting occasionally corrupted DNG files on high-quality SD Cards (SanDisk 128GB Extreme PRO SDXC UHS-II). Super frustrating and unacceptable. Fortunately I could salvage the respective DNGs from internal memory.
I am always using DNG+JPG set to IN=SD, all data is stored on both internal memory and SD card.

Regards,
Ulli Mueller

 

I have had the one freeze (mentioned previously), but no corrupted files, except as mentioned hereafter.  M11 using 2.1.1 with 128 GB SanDisk Extreme PRO SDXC 300 MB/s UHS-II (same as yours, I think).  However, I have had numerous issues with Lightroom having trouble importing files (it keeps thinking the JPEGs are separate exposures and tries to import them separately SOMETIMES), so much so that I've switched the camera from DNG+JPG to DNG only.  Also, prior to that switch I was getting multiple corrupt file errors, which could be fixed easily by simply re-importing the picture group (the corrupted files were automatically seen by Lightroom as not imported yet for some reason), and so now I don't format the SD card until I've gone through the import group at least once with a quick once-over to make sure there are no corrupted pictures.  Since that change, I've had one corrupted file, but when I tried the import, nothing came up, and when I went back to view the file, it was no longer flagged as corrupted in Lightroom.

Using IN=SD is attractive, but the M11 "only" has 64 GB internal memory, so that does not make much sense (for me) with a 128 GB SD card as I am assuming as soon as the internal memory fills up, the camera would become inoperable, even though another 64 GB would remain on the SD card.  Not sure if the camera is smart enough to realize that and keep taking pictures and don't want to find out the hard way...  Then, of course there is the extra step of having to format internal memory as well as the SD card each time.

[lct]

20 minutes ago, Ulli Mueller said:

I am still getting occasionally corrupted DNG files on high-quality SD Cards (SanDisk 128GB Extreme PRO SDXC UHS-II)

Did you try UHS-I Sandisk cards? Inexpensive, somewhat slower (200 mb/s), but less freezes than UHS-II for me, don't ask me why. I never got corrupt files with any card though. Just a tip you might feel useful or not...