Really hope Leica adds a simple 65:24 xpan crop to the Q3

[Le Chef]

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3 hours ago, BradS said:

Why the hostility?

There’s no hostility on my part. It’s your camera: do what you like with it.

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[Kozonoh]

16 minutes ago, AussieQ said:

How spoilt and lazy shooters can be today. Instant results with zero use of their brains. Like we both agree, as a photographer or any artist, you need to visualise. Asking for panorama crop is like a painter asking for a blank canvas with a lead pencil outline of the subject they painting.....oh because its............soooo hard to visualise what the final painting would look like in their mind

To the original poster, learn to think about the photo before taking it. Just look at the scene though you viewfinder and imagine the crop, do you have enough of the scene?  Seeing you own a Q3, why bother worrying about crop lines, you have 60 megapixels to play with. You should be able to crop out an ant on a bulls rear end at that resolution!

Your analogy with painting is wrong. In painting  the canvas is the absolute frame. I personnaly don’t care about having frame lines but there is no reason to get excited and to say that the op is spoilt, lazy and stupid. I read bobtodrick’s argument about firearms forums. But here we are speaking about photography!

Edited June 23, 2024 by Kozonoh

[SrMi]

4 hours ago, Le Chef said:

There’s no hostility on my part. It’s your camera: do what you like with it.

There is definitely hostility by people who agree with you (not your fault). An example of acting hostile and sanctimonious:

22 minutes ago, AussieQ said:

How spoilt and lazy shooters can be today. Instant results with zero use of their brains.

IMO, most of the hostility comes from a lack of understanding of how to use the available tools (staying in the general vibe of this thread 😉).

Edited June 23, 2024 by SrMi
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[SrMi]

39 minutes ago, AussieQ said:

FFS, the point is for the photographer to stop and THINK. I don't give a hoot about technical this and technical that garbage. People just need to take ownership and start thinking. I am sure the poster is a nice person and I personally don't dislike them. I just want them to STOP and think, " ok...maybe the rude AussieQ person who told me to think could be right. Perhaps pausing for a few seconds and visualising the scene as a final print, looking at what fits in well etc before pressing the shutter". Thinking will help you in many ways in life and seeing that people rely far too much on tech in giving them their answers really urks me. 

 

If time permits:

I find that spending time thinking about the scene, the story, and the emotions that we are trying to capture is crucial to making good images.

I also think it should be followed by meticulous exposure setting and framing. Framing guidelines and histograms are necessary tools in that process if we want to provide the best quality post-processing data.

The two steps are not exclusive but complimentary.

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, AussieQ said:

FFS, the point is for the photographer to stop and THINK. I don't give a hoot about technical this and technical that garbage. People just need to take ownership and start thinking. I am sure the poster is a nice person and I personally don't dislike them. I just want them to STOP and think, " ok...maybe the rude AussieQ person who told me to think could be right. Perhaps pausing for a few seconds and visualising the scene as a final print, looking at what fits in well etc before pressing the shutter". Thinking will help you in many ways in life and seeing that people rely far too much on tech in giving them their answers really urks me. 

 

 

[jaapv]

38 minutes ago, SrMi said:

If time permits:

I find that spending time thinking about the scene, the story, and the emotions that we are trying to capture is crucial to making good images.

I also think it should be followed by meticulous exposure setting and framing. Framing guidelines and histograms are necessary tools in that process if we want to provide the best quality post-processing data.

The two steps are not exclusive but complimentary.

I agree with the sentiment and visualization is the essential first step. The point is that the Q3 has shifted the bit about framing by giving you a large canvas.  That allows for precise framing in the computer. Example: it is near impossible to get a diagonal 100% precisely in the corner of a frame in the camera. A crop in the computer allows for such precision. The same if you care about the distance of the subject to the edge and the left-right positioning.   The viewfinder is simply too small and you need a tripod to keep the camera from shifting slightly. Etc. 
For frame and crop St, Veronica has given us the computer screen. 

[SrMi]

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2 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I a free with the sentiment and visualization is the essential first step. The point is that the Q3 has shifted the bit about framing by giving you a large canvas.  That allows for precise framing in the computer. Example: it is near impossible to get a diagonal 100% precisely in the corner of a frame in the camera. A crop in the computer allows for such precision. The same if you care about the distance of the subject to the edge and the left-right positioning.   The viewfinder is simply too small and you need a tripod to keep the camera from shifting slightly. Etc And an M you get the surprise components through parallax error , which will hide or reveal objects which were (in)visible in the viewfinder, changing the composition. 

Yes, though one should try to frame as precise as possible. I do not have problems framing precisely when shooting handheld, though sometimes I may have missed something (small display, or did not pay attention) which requires slight cropping in the post. Of course, I may rethink the framing and crop heavily in the post. I think Digital Zoom is a gimmick and I never use it.

[jaapv]

The cropping in the Q is not quite the same as digital zoom. That implies further processing in the camera to mitigate the drawbacks. 

[SrMi]

15 minutes ago, jaapv said:

The cropping in the Q is not quite the same as digital zoom. That implies further processing in the camera to mitigate the drawbacks. 

I agree, but to avoid confusion, I am using Leica's nomenclature:

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[jaapv]

13 minutes ago, SrMi said:

I agree, but to avoid confusion, I am using Leica's nomenclature:

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Sloppy... Somebody should educate Leica's marketing department about photography. This thought has occurred to me before. 👺

[BradS]

13 hours ago, bobtodrick said:

You feel this comment is hostile???

Man, you gotta go visit a firearms or political forum 😂

I was referring to the hostility toward the suggestion.

[Ozymandias]

6 hours ago, SrMi said:

There is definitely hostility by people who agree with you (not your fault). An example of acting hostile and sanctimonious:

IMO, most of the hostility comes from a lack of understanding of how to use the available tools (staying in the general vibe of this thread 😉).

I agree that there is hostility, with a blend of sarcasm and contempt - usually by the same two or three posters. It seems to be happening quite frequently lately and is unpleasant to read and not at all helpful or considerate to the O.P.s

Paul

 

[Le Chef]

41 minutes ago, BradS said:

I was referring to the hostility toward the suggestion.

There’s no hostility to the OP’s suggestion: has anyone said “You mustn’t do that” He can send an email to Leica, as other owners have done, requesting firmware changes.
 

What you have is a thread about alternative views on cropping in camera or in post. Some like it some don’t and all they’re doing is expressing their views. This is a normal level of debate out in the big world.

[LocalHero1953]

Just now, Le Chef said:

There’s no hostility to the OP’s suggestion: has anyone said “You mustn’t do that” He can send an email to Leica, as other owners have done, requesting firmware changes.
 

What you have is a thread about alternative views on cropping in camera or in post. Some like it some don’t and all they’re doing is expressing their views. This is a normal level of debate out in the big world.

One person at least did make comments that (IMO) were hostile and unpleasant.  

[Le Chef]

15 hours ago, nariza7 said:

Based off current responses, there will be those like me who will be glad or are okay with them adding the 65:24 aspect ratio feature and there will be those that think there’s no point to it.

I don’t think anyone is saying you can’t have it or that Leica should not offer this crop. The so called “contrarian” pov is that you don’t need it and can do all of that in post: it’s a choice. But as this is a forum you come here for different points of view and debate. I don’t think you can or should expect everyone to conform to one point of view.

[BradS]

13 hours ago, Le Chef said:

There’s no hostility on my part. It’s your camera: do what you like with it.

 

To be clear, I don't feel any hostility directed toward me personally. Sorry for the confusion.

[bobtodrick]

1 hour ago, Ozymandias said:

I agree that there is hostility, with a blend of sarcasm and contempt - usually by the same two or three posters. It seems to be happening quite frequently lately and is unpleasant to read and not at all helpful or considerate to the O.P.s

Paul

 

I find it humorous that the ‘hostility’ allegations all stem from the people who want the frame lines and those that don’t are ‘hostile’…so a case of if you don’t agree with me you are ‘hostile’.

If one takes the time (as I just did) it is a wash…about 1/2 the responders to the thread want the extra framelines…1/2 don’t.

It will be up to Leica.

Or is that too hostile? 😂

[LocalHero1953]

30 minutes ago, bobtodrick said:

I find it humorous that the ‘hostility’ allegations all stem from the people who want the frame lines and those that don’t are ‘hostile’…so a case of if you don’t agree with me you are ‘hostile’.

If one takes the time (as I just did) it is a wash…about 1/2 the responders to the thread want the extra framelines…1/2 don’t.

It will be up to Leica.

Or is that too hostile? 😂

To be clear - I am not worried either way whether anyone wants more framelines. Nor am I going to tell anyone my opinion about their photographic practice, unless they ask for it. I'm sure we all do things that other shooters find incomprehensible.

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[nariza7]

Ah, I did not think this thread would turn out this way that seems to have triggered some. I simply was stating that I hope Leica can add a (hopefully) simple feature without harming the experiences of others. I’m not stating that everyone should think the same. I originally hoped I’d prob get like 1-2 responses from those who do feel the same. I apologize if I’ve opened a can of worms. I can tell this discussion has started getting cyclical (possibly emotional for some) and I don’t think anyone will really change their stance. If any Leica staff is seeing this, please just consider this feature request from this lazy, naive person (me) as I’d really like it.

[bobtodrick]

8 minutes ago, nariza7 said:

Ah, I did not think this thread would turn out this way that seems to have triggered some. I simply was stating that I hope Leica can add a (hopefully) simple feature without harming the experiences of others. I’m not stating that everyone should think the same. I originally hoped I’d prob get like 1-2 responses from those who do feel the same. I apologize if I’ve opened a can of worms. I can tell this discussion has started getting cyclical (possibly emotional for some) and I don’t think anyone will really change their stance. If any Leica staff is seeing this, please just consider this feature request from this lazy, naive person (me) as I’d really like it.

Unfortunately what is at issue (IMO) is that the original concept of the Q…a full frame, simple camera with a great lens and build quality has fallen prey to those who want a do everything wonder camera with every bell and whistle imaginable.

There are a slew of cameras on the market that have those features…many Q users (again just my opinion) would like the Q to remain true to its roots.