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2 hours ago, pgk said:

Ahhh, so the Leica look is simply veiling flare? Flat shadows and dull highlights.

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8 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

...the Rigid [renders] buttery smooth and detailed whilst the Zeiss renders with excessive sharpness…!

Go back to the first page in the Leica Q subforum where 'The Leica Look' is discussed and you will be able to read about the origins of why lenses from Leitz and Zeiss rendered differently all those years ago...

Philip.

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2 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

I will never sell the Zeiss Planar, too many memories…!

A message for Anthony,

You are now ready to explore (when opportunities occur) if you want to other Leitz/Leica hiding gems:

https://wiki.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Xenon_f%3D_5_cm_1:1.5

Summarit

Summar

other Summicron (s)

and so on

...

or just use what you have now at best for a while.

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7 hours ago, a.noctilux said:

...you will know that Leica Look can be reached differently,

sometimes by searching and otherwise by accident.

My understanding, the Leica Look depends mostly on the lens, a Leica lens, developed to give detailed images without any annoyance from being overly sharp…!

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5 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

My understanding, the Leica Look depends mostly on the lens, a Leica lens, developed to give detailed images without any annoyance from being overly sharp…!

...partly true,

not always the case with every lenses,

sometimes the film in use can do the rest, and photographer's skill can be in the equation, and so on.

Not simple but you are quite close :P.

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2 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

...partly true,

not always the case with every lenses,

sometimes the film in use can do the rest, and photographer's skill can be in the equation, and so on.

Not simple but you are quite close :P.

That’s why I’m suggesting the Leica Look should be a Leica Digital camera and sensor designed by Leica with a Leica lens.  Film has many different looks that can confuse or distract from getting a Leica Look…!

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18 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

That’s why I’m suggesting the Leica Look should be a Leica Digital camera and sensor designed by Leica with a Leica lens....

As is famously-known the 'Leica Look' has existed for over 80 years so how does that even begin to tie-in with a "Leica Digital camera and sensor designed by Leica"?

This matter isn't even under the slightest dispute in any shape or form. Seriously, Anthony, give the reality some serious consideration.

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1 hour ago, Anthony MD said:

developed to give detailed images

at f8-f16, so plenty of details ;)

1 hour ago, a.noctilux said:

without any annoyance from being overly sharp…!

mostly thanks to being slightly out of focus ;)

 

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2 hours ago, pippy said:

As is famously-known the 'Leica Look' has existed for over 80 years so how does that even begin to tie-in with a "Leica Digital camera and sensor designed by Leica"?

This matter isn't even under the slightest dispute in any shape or form. Seriously, Anthony, give the reality some serious consideration.

Philip.

As I see it, the Leica Look needs to be of Leica.

Film stocks have many looks and can’t be all categorized as the Leica Look.

Is Ektar 100 a Leica Look?

Or Fuji film, or any film stock?

But for me a MD262 has a sensor made in Belgium with Leica’s specifications. 
The Summicron Rigid paired with the MD is designed by Leica.

All I’m saying is for a “true” Leica Look it must have a pedigree of the sum of its components from Leica…!

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8 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

As I see it, the Leica Look needs to be of Leica....Film stocks have many looks and can’t be all categorized as the Leica Look....Is Ektar 100 a Leica Look?...Or Fuji film, or any film stock?

But for me a MD262 has a sensor made in Belgium with Leica’s specifications. The Summicron Rigid paired with the MD is designed by Leica.

All I’m saying is for a “true” Leica Look it must have a pedigree of the sum of its components from Leica…!

If that is what you have convinced yourself to be the case and you are quite happy believing it to be true then so be it!

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28 minutes ago, pippy said:

If that is what you have convinced yourself to be the case and you are quite happy believing it to be true then so be it!

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Philip.

 No, haven’t convinced myself of it but just an opinion that I shared…!

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38 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

Leica thought would be best at that time…!

yeah, leica keeps changing what they think is best ;) and then they push it onto the addicted consumers, a bit like politicians who say one thing one year and another thing the next year

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21 minutes ago, frame-it said:

yeah, leica keeps changing what they think is best ;) and then they push it onto the addicted consumers, a bit like politicians who say one thing one year and another thing the next year

They did a good job creating the MD262…!

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5 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

They did a good job creating the MD262…!

Not only that one, I must say that I use many more devices from Leitz/Leica I think not available elsewhere.

For many decades, those lenses are "unique" (in my point of view) and when I happend to use many "same" lenses (= same naming but different periods or cosmetics),

I appreciate the quite visible differences (if not always) then I say to myself "this is high artisanal creations" not available when other do industrialisation.

...0 Replica/IIIg/II/M3/M-D/M 60/ Monochroms/so many lenses are (not all) among them.

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1 hour ago, frame-it said:

yeah, leica keeps changing what they think is best...

...and, therefore, we find ourselves in the situation where 'The Leica Look' changes with the times...

😺

Philip.

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