Help me understand this email from Leica

[crons]

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As you know I've been having the dreaded 11673 not detected issue that others here had. After a firmware update didn't work, this was the email from Leica 

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Are they basically agreeing with my solution to just choose the 11879 manually?

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[jaapv]

Sounds like a trainee wrote this. Professional indeed. I would ask for a more informed reply. In fact, I would just pick up the phone. Leica does bring out firmware updates to add new lenses for finished products. 

[crons]

1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

Yes, as they do not plan to update the M10-R with new firmware that would include the V2 lens in the near future they are basically advising you to use the comparable profile for ASPH V1 if your lens is not recognized by the 6-bit reader.

As said in another thread, you lose virtually nothing by doing this.

Seems to work fine with that profile, so I'll set it and forget it. 

 

 

Edited June 5, 2024 by crons

[crons]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

Sounds like a trainee wrote this. Professional indeed. I would ask for a more informed reply. In fact, I would just pick up the phone. Leica does bring out firmware updates to add new lenses for finished products. 

Seeing that I'm certainly not the only one experiencing this, they should just add it to the list next to the 11879 if the corrections are the same for both lenses. Pulling a photo up in Lightroom it simply comes up at 35f2 Summicron ASPH. 

[jaapv]

If it does that and you select it, appropriate corrections will be applied.  

[crons]

54 minutes ago, jaapv said:

If it does that and you select it, appropriate corrections will be applied.  

No big deal then. I'll just keep it as 11879. Seems like it isn't issue enough to send the camera or the lens off. 

[lct]

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Unsure how adding the Summicron 35/2 asph v2 to a lens list can change the fact that the OP's camera does not detect automatically either v1 or v2 of that lens in spite they have both the exact same code (011110). Those of you using the 35/2 asph v2 on an M11 may wish to check if it is automatically detected by the M11 as it should.

[crons]

1 hour ago, lct said:

Unsure how adding the Summicron 35/2 asph v2 to a lens list can change the fact that the OP's camera does not detect automatically either v1 or v2 of that lens in spite they have both the exact same code (011110). Those of you using the 35/2 asph v2 on an M11 may wish to check if it is automatically detected by the M11 as it should.

I have never tried the v1 of this lens. All I know is the 11673 isn't detected and when I searched I discovered I wasn't the only one with this issue with this particular lens with the M10. Sometimes people with this lens try it on other cameras and it is detected but not on the M10. Yet the M10 can detect their other coded lenses. 

The choice is to send the camera and lens out to Germany for months, just for this one lens not being detected, or just choose it manually. As discussed here going back a few years it affects this particular lens. The reason is a mystery. A new lens doesn't fix the issue and it may work on one M10 camera but not in another M10 camera. So I just choose to pick it from the list as 11879 and be done with it as there is nothing wrong with the lens itself. My 50 summicron is detected just fine. I don't want to turn this into a big issue. As it has been documented your camera may detect every single coded lens but not the 35f2 ASPH. I don't think we will ever know why this happens. It's hard to ask the people who posted about this because everyone loved to upgrade their cameras and buy and sell so they can't tell me what happened. The closest answer was one of them said they sent it to Germany and it came back working. No details as to what was the cause or what Leica did. So far the response I got from Leica itself was update the camera and if that doesn't do it just pick it manually from the list. 

I don't know anything about the M11. my guess is it'll be detected just like on the M240 and other cameras that aren't the M10. 

Edited June 6, 2024 by crons

[lct]

OK then so happy snaps with your Summicron 😎

Edited June 6, 2024 by lct

[hansvons]

22 hours ago, crons said:

Seems to work fine with that profile, so I'll set it and forget it. 

A bit late to the party, I would ask this: The 35mm Summicron ASPH V1 and V2 are optically the same lens. The V1 was designed in the nineties for film, not digital. In that, it's a classic lens design, meaning that all corrections must have been made to the lens design. So, if you want to get the entire character of the lens (and it has plenty), why try to correct it digitally in the camera? This isn't an SL lens or the Q's Summilux that were designed with digital helpers in mind. 

[LocalHero1953]

Corrections aside, I value having the lens recorded in EXIF. I don't search in Lightroom daily for such details, but often enough that I want it recorded.

[lct]

It remains that following the OP's explanations, the Summicron 35/2 asph v2 has coding capabilities that cannot be used on the (or some) M10 cameras. I have no experience with the M10 but i suppose it has functions needing 6-bit coding. The M11 needs it for setting shake-proof shutter speeds for instance. User error or behavior plays no role in that and i see litle point in repairing such a glitch. The camera simply does not conform to its specifications and should be replaced without delay by another copy that functions normally.

[crons]

2 hours ago, hansvons said:

A bit late to the party, I would ask this: The 35mm Summicron ASPH V1 and V2 are optically the same lens. The V1 was designed in the nineties for film, not digital. In that, it's a classic lens design, meaning that all corrections must have been made to the lens design. So, if you want to get the entire character of the lens (and it has plenty), why try to correct it digitally in the camera? This isn't an SL lens or the Q's Summilux that were designed with digital helpers in mind. 

 

1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Corrections aside, I value having the lens recorded in EXIF. I don't search in Lightroom daily for such details, but often enough that I want it recorded.

Yea mostly for the EXIF. I don't do Lightroom so it is convenient that some corrections are imported. 

All that aside I'm loving the lens. It goes together perfectly with the 50 cron. 

[crons]

44 minutes ago, lct said:

The camera simply does not conform to its specifications and should be replaced without delay by another copy that functions normally.

There is no chance my camera is leaving my side. 😆 . My M10R Black Paint is one of a kind. 

The coding does nothing other than exif data and some corrections. 

Edited June 6, 2024 by crons

[lct]

21 minutes ago, crons said:

The coding does nothing other than exif data and some corrections. 

It does on my M11 and i'm skeptical when i read general statements like this with all due respect. How do you manage shake-proof shutter speeds on your M10? Just curious and nothing personal of course since you have decided to keep your M10 as is apparently.

[crons]

11 minutes ago, lct said:

It does on my M11 and i'm skeptical when i read general statements like this with all due respect. How do you manage shake-proof shutter speeds on your M10? Just curious and nothing personal of course since you have decided to keep your M10 as is apparently.

I don't know what shake proof shutter speed is. Must be an M11 thing. Every time you post is about the M11. I honestly don't care about the M11. I'm talking about a lens on the M10 cameras. 

 

Edited June 6, 2024 by crons

[lct]

1 minute ago, crons said:

I don't know what shake proof shutter speed is. Must be an M11 thing. 

A search of "shake-proof" in the M10 instructions manual might help but again i have no experience with this camera.

[crons]

6 minutes ago, lct said:

A search of "shake-proof" in the M10 instructions manual might help but again i have no experience with this camera.

There is no such thing. 

Of course I am keeping the M10R. There's nothing wrong with it. If there was it wouldn't be able to detect any lens. The issue is only this lens. 

The manual is here 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/lit_files/623702.pdf

Edited June 6, 2024 by crons

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[hansvons]

58 minutes ago, crons said:

All that aside I'm loving the lens. It goes together perfectly with the 50 cron. 

Exactly my sentiment.

[lct]

30 minutes ago, crons said:

There is no such thing [...]

I seem to have seen this very thing in the M10 instructions manual but maybe the M10R is different. Anyway, if you're happy like this, there is nothing else i can do to help. I should receive a v2 copy for testing purpose in a couple of days and will check it on my M240 and M11 bodies for my own information.

Edited June 6, 2024 by lct