M10-R vs M10-P. More grainy noise?

[tappan]

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I got to try an M10-R. Nice camera.
Seems to have a little more grain (noise) than my M10-P.
Thoughts?
Mark

[jdlaing]

49 minutes ago, tappan said:

I got to try an M10-R. Nice camera.
Seems to have a little more grain (noise) than my M10-P.
Thoughts?
Mark

Examples?

[dpitt]

37 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

check at same magnification in PS.

Do not simply use the 100% pixel peeping mode. The M10-R has more MP, so you will see more noise at 100% compared to 100% with the M10-P

[Mute-on]

1 hour ago, dpitt said:

Do not simply use the 100% pixel peeping mode. The M10-R has more MP, so you will see more noise at 100% compared to 100% with the M10-P

So if more noise, as grain, is visible at 100% with the M10-R, does that not, ipso facto, mean the M10-R has more noise compared with M10-P if all other photo parameters are identical?

[Robert Blanko]

If you scale the images to the same physical size for viewing, there should be nevertheless an advantage for the M10R.

i would have to carefully check my photo data base, but I don’t remember that my M10-R was worse than my M10 even on pixel level,

[tappan]

On 5/31/2024 at 9:44 PM, tappan said:

I got to try an M10-R. Nice camera.
Seems to have a little more grain (noise) than my M10-P.
Thoughts?
Mark

I AM the ORIGINAL POSTER.
Sorry for the underlines, not sure what happened there 🙂
Looking at the two files is mostly splitting hairs. I was simply curious what others had to think about the two files.
The M10-R "cleans up" real well in PP.
For my liking, I like the final PP M10-P file just a little better. I like the M10-P much better out of camera.
The advantages of the M10-R regarding highlight recovery and resolution are worth the purchase if you're thinking about upgrading, in my opinion.
1st image M10-P out of camera. 2nd image M10-P Post process.
3rd image M10-R out of camera. 4th image M10-R Post process.

Mark

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[dpitt]

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@tappan 
You are right, the difference in noise is marginal. What was the ISO value for both pictures ?

[tappan]

38 minutes ago, dpitt said:

@tappan 
You are right, the difference in noise is marginal. What was the ISO value for both pictures ?

400 ISO.

[Alberti]

Often, I 'experience' that in processing in LRc that the M10r images have much noise. In 100% peep mode I clearly see the noise. Also with lower iso. It might be very visible with marginal exposure. It means that sometimes I need to use the Luminance slider to 20-30.

I now try to consider it as a LR thing. Capture One gives this impression of noisiness less.

My previous M240 has had a generally more handsome form of noise. [Side note - I liked the grain of the M8 most, very film-like.]