X3 please!

[colonel]

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its about time

the X2 was the perfect pocket sized camera.

yes there is the Ricoh GR, but the X2 was a nicer design and better ergonomics

I was excited about the D-lux 8 being APS-c, but it isn't !

the Sony RX100s are also surprisingly beautiful, but the 1cm sensor is just the wrong of side of digital, and the grip is not enjoyable

ho hum! random brain walk ....

 

[bcorton]

I hear you.  Why Leica decided to leave behind APS development makes no sense to me--from a photography standpoint.  I'm sure there were corporate reasons.  I'm sure all this has been hashed to death on these threads (especially over in the CL & Tx section).  I'm just glad my X2 is still going strong.  

[tom0511]

I loved the x1 when it came out. then they made it bigger, then interchangeable lens (TL/CL) and then gave it up.

Now it's the full frame Q series, but this is not a compact camera any more. Maybe it has its place, but it can replace a x1.

For me the x1 was like a digital Rollei 35. 

I am sure there would be room for a dx sensor compact camera. Ricoh and Fuji sell many of such cameras.

[Ko.Fe.]

I've got X2 in 2023. LNIB. Not sure if I need X3...

[nicci78]

X3 is coming at the end of 2024 as a smaller Q, just like D-Lux 8 but with fixed 40mm and APS-C sensor. 

Not totally sure yet, but my source seems to be reliable. 

Looks like Leica is bringing back the duo of compacts CM and CM zoom in digital form. 

There is a spot available between D-Lux 8 at 1,590€ and Q3 at 5,950€

Ready for a 2,990€ X3 ? 

Edited May 28, 2024 by nicci78

[Lelmer]

APS-C!! Interesting, but weird...after having abandoned the excellent CL

Wait & see 🙂

Edited May 29, 2024 by Lelmer

[HPS3000]

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I hope the rumours are true.
A X3 would bridge the upcoming gap - and offer a high quality option within a smaller body compared to the Q3.

[jrichie]

1 hour ago, HPS3000 said:

I hope the rumours are true.
A X3 would bridge the upcoming gap - and offer a high quality option within a smaller body compared to the Q3.

I found the Q3 too big and also not a fan of 28mm.  I prefer the M over the Q if I am taking a larger camera.

a smaller body, fixed 40mm would be near perfect as an everyday pocket / in the bag camera for me.

[HPS3000]

vor 11 Stunden schrieb jrichie:

I found the Q3 too big and also not a fan of 28mm.  I prefer the M over the Q if I am taking a larger camera.

a smaller body, fixed 40mm would be near perfect as an everyday pocket / in the bag camera for me.

The Q2 and Q3 are amazing cameras with unmatched image quality - especially for landscape and urban photography, where the 28mm lens shines. I use the Holster for easy access (in combination with the grip) … makes the combo pretty handy, but not as light as my old X2.

Personally I do prefer the 35mm (equivalent) of the X-Series - a smaller 35 or 40 mm fixed X3 would be a better travel companion as the Q-Series is.

Despite it‘s flaws, I did enjoy using the X-Vario … but the slow lens was it‘s mayor flaw, at least in combination with the sensor technology 10 years ago.

[CheEr]

Am 28.5.2024 um 19:41 schrieb nicci78:

X3 is coming at the end of 2024 as a smaller Q, just like D-Lux 8 but with fixed 40mm and APS-C sensor. 

Not totally sure yet, but my source seems to be reliable. 

Looks like Leica is bringing back the duo of compacts CM and CM zoom in digital form. 

There is a spot available between D-Lux 8 at 1,590€ and Q3 at 5,950€

Ready for a 2,990€ X3 ? 

3000€ is to much. 

[nicci78]

Say that to people buying X100 V or VI to scalpers on eBay…

I don’t see Leica selling it at a lower price. Twice as much as the competition is the Wetzlar way. 

[HPS3000]

The Q2 is listet at 5.650€ and the Q3 at 5.950€. So finding the sweet spot between the D-Lux 8 and the Q-Series would be the challenge for Leica.

I would expect an X3 to be priced between 2.500€ and 3.500€, depending on the tech Leica might implement (on the higher end if the implement a tilting screen for example).

[nicci78]

Please no more ugly plastic tilting screen. 
Leica can do it if properly done like Fujifilm. Otherwise forget it. 
I still cannot stand to see the Q3 the worst designed Leica ever. 
No wonder why X100 VI is flying off the shelves. It is a lesson of good design. 

Edited June 1, 2024 by nicci78

[jrichie]

59 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

Please no more ugly plastic tilting screen. 
Leica can do it if properly done like Fujifilm. Otherwise forget it. 
I still cannot stand to see the Q3 the worst designed Leica ever. 
No wonder why X100 VI is flying off the shelves. It is a lesson of good design. 

I totally agree.  I had the Q3 and could not stand how the tilting screen was implemented.  It was  clumsy in the design, and also difficult to use.

If you were to ask me what camera I would ideally see from Leica, it is the TL3.  We still have an original T in the house, and it still feels like a proper modern camera to me. I hope this X3 would be along similar lines [dont need a viewfinder [hot shoe if you want one], simple to use minimal buttons at most,  nice large screen, etc].  

[nicci78]

T/TL/TL2 have stunning design. Sadly never updated. 
However integrated EVF is a must have for bright sunlight and for aging eyes. 

Edited June 2, 2024 by nicci78

[dkCambridgeshire]

On 5/28/2024 at 6:41 PM, nicci78 said:

X3 is coming at the end of 2024 as a smaller Q, just like D-Lux 8 but with fixed 40mm and APS-C sensor. 

Not totally sure yet, but my source seems to be reliable. 

Looks like Leica is bringing back the duo of compacts CM and CM zoom in digital form. 

There is a spot available between D-Lux 8 at 1,590€ and Q3 at 5,950€

Ready for a 2,990€ X3 ? 

I'm fairly sure there will not be another APS-C Leica  'X' camera at the end of 2024. 

Such a camera would take several years to design / test / market – commencing same in 2021 

Leica announced several years ago that "the future is full frame" 

I've read many many times about a "source seems to be reliable" 

These rumours pass from person to person to person and inevitably end up as being "ooooh err!! " hoaxes 

The only way that Leica could ever be involved with APS-C again is for Panasonic to go down that path – and Panasonic have made no inroads in this direction. 

dunk

 

Edited June 2, 2024 by dkCambridgeshire

[dkCambridgeshire]

On 5/30/2024 at 8:00 AM, HPS3000 said:

The Q2 and Q3 are amazing cameras with unmatched image quality - especially for landscape and urban photography, where the 28mm lens shines. I use the Holster for easy access (in combination with the grip) … makes the combo pretty handy, but not as light as my old X2.

Personally I do prefer the 35mm (equivalent) of the X-Series - a smaller 35 or 40 mm fixed X3 would be a better travel companion as the Q-Series is.

Despite it‘s flaws, I did enjoy using the X-Vario … but the slow lens was it‘s mayor flaw, at least in combination with the sensor technology 10 years ago.

Any faster and the camera would have been too large / unwieldy .  XV's are now cult cameras and fly off s/h dealers' shelves. 

Unfortunately the XV had a particularly 'bad press' on this forum by some members who failed to understand its virtues and who never used the camera.  They only read the specs and decided it was a non-starter – despite Jono's favourable review. I immediately ordered an XV after reading Jono's review and it's in still in regular use. 

 

[Phil75]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb dkCambridgeshire:

Any faster and the camera would have been too large / unwieldy .  XV's are now cult cameras and fly off s/h dealers' shelves. 

Unfortunately the XV had a particularly 'bad press' on this forum by some members who failed to understand its virtues and who never used the camera.  They only read the specs and decided it was a non-starter – despite Jono's favourable review. I immediately ordered an XV after reading Jono's review and it's in still in regular use. 

 

👍 Mine too.

[nicci78]

Really I don't know. I am not the one seeing the products list. I am just a messenger. 

We'll see before the end of the year. 

Future is full frame ? ask Fuji and Ricoh about that... 

and why releasing a crippled m4/3 next month ? 

Why making a mirrorless medium format S4 ?

Future is whatever will be sold eventually

By the way don't believe Leica execs they'll never be truthful. Remember pre-M9 release ? They sweared to all gods that full M cameras were impossible to make... you know the history. They wanted to sell their M8 I guess.

 

 

Edited June 3, 2024 by nicci78

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[nicci78]

Just to be clear I am not especially interested into a 40mm APS compact Q. I really wish that it will be a real full frame Q with 40mm lens. But according to my friend it will use a smaller sensor. What a bummer for sure, but if made tiny why not.