I see many used M11's out there for sale with major camera retailers in the US, would you be

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[Herr Barnack]

On 5/11/2024 at 3:42 PM, Malabito said:

I don't believe there are more good ones than lemons. In my small universe of people I personally know with M11s (around 10), at least 8 have some kind of issue. Is that proof that all have issues? No... but it doesn't make it look very good.

Owners 1 through 8:  "Worst piece of crap ever made!" 😡

Owners 9 and 10:  "Best camera known to mankind!!" 😊

Non M11 owners:  "WTF??"  😵‍💫

[Malabito]

6 hours ago, Pelu2010 said:

Hey, 

can we agree that people also sell their cameras because they can’t adopt to the system or do not want to adopt to the system. I would say that the Leica M are controversial because it uses a system that most people don’t know. So if confronted with that and with an attentions span of 6 seconds it won’t work. Then most people don’t read manuals and this camera may require some reading or watching videos if you are used to AF or full automatic cameras. 
so it’s a camera that people think they need and if confronted with the camera, can’t handle. So I think that leicas got sold more often than other cameras. You need some time to get the system. Time maybe without moving. Just contemplating and watching. And the biggest mistake is: 

sometimes it’s not the camera that is a bug. 
it’s the user! 
take a workshop ! 
ask some people that own the camera! 
make friends. 
 

cheers 🥃 

 

good luck finding a seller that's honest about the freezing issues 

Edited May 20, 2024 by Malabito

[BillCB]

On 5/13/2024 at 2:48 AM, Malabito said:

3000 shots in 13 months is really not much, so perhaps you've just been lucky. That's a very low number of images.

How do you have the storage options set up, internal and SD card, and what resolution are you shooting for JPG and RAW.

It seems like most of those who say they have no issues don't use the camera very much.

Thanks.

I have MF as my primary gear so until recently the Leicas were travel cameras. Nonetheless, 3000 shots each would have revealed faults by now, I think. I shoot DNG only, first on Internal and second on SD cards - 128 gb in the M11 and 256 in the M11-P. I shoot full size RAW.

 

On 5/13/2024 at 6:57 AM, Al Brown said:

Those are the numbers for both 😁

No, I expressed that badly. Each camera has around 3000 shots - the M11-P is my go-to camera and the M11 is my back-up. The M11-P accompanied me on a month-long trip in Africa where it accumulated just under 3000. The M11 has been in use much longer but more lightly.

Edited May 23, 2024 by BillCB
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[Bedojo]

I bought my m11 as an open box for a good discount. I wouldn’t say it has freezing lockup issues.

has it had minor freezes? Yeah 2-3 over the year. But not more or less than my Ricoh, or my old Fuji or canon kits.

[Cattoo]

On 5/20/2024 at 5:52 AM, Pelu2010 said:

an we agree that people also sell their cameras because they can’t adopt to the system or do not want to adopt to the system. I would say that the Leica M are controversial because it uses a system that most people don’t know. So if confronted with that and with an attentions span of 6 seconds it won’t work. Then most people don’t read manuals and this camera may require some reading or watching videos if you are used to AF or full automatic cameras. 
so it’s a camera that people think they need and if confronted with the camera, can’t handle. So I think that leicas got sold more often than other cameras. You need some time to get the system. Time maybe without moving. Just contemplating and watching. And the biggest mistake is: 

sometimes it’s not the camera that is a bug. 
it’s the user! 
take a workshop ! 
ask some people that own the camera! 
make friends. 
 

cheers 🥃 

 

Then there are those who buy Leica Ms because they want to wear the camera like a fashion accessory and assume that the camera (being an expensive one) should generate iPhone-like images that require little editing "SOOC" as they say.  They buy the camera, pimp it out with an expensive lens and take lots and lots of photos only to find that most are either unfocused, underexposed, overexposed, in need of some white balance correction, or suffers from some other defect that more often than not is the result of either an operator error or an unwillingness to learn to process the photos in Lightroom.  

Clearly, no one here fits this description BUT I have encountered several Leica owners out there in other forums on Facebook and elsewhere who have expressed shock and dismay that they could not mindlessly point and shoot their new fashionable gadget and generate Henri Cartier Bresson-like works of art (they saw his name on a Leica ad).  

Many of these people, after some disillusionment, opt to sell all this gear that they never learned to use or trade it in for a Sony with a humongous lens (that looks professional) that they'll leave on Auto and use to take jpegs that they'll "edit" with their favorite Instagram filter.  

So yeah, sometimes its the user.

 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2024 by Cattoo

[EdwardWestin]

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So every digital camera I've owned or worked with has had freeze issues. My Nikon D600/800, my Fuji X100, X-Pro1, XH1, my Sony A7's. 

 

And yes, especially my Hasselblad X2D. The M11 running firmware v2 (latest sub version) once here and there when shooting quickly in warming conditions. A simple turn off and on. But nothing too crazy and nothing outside the norm of all other digital cameras I've used. 

[MikeW]

On 5/11/2024 at 5:00 AM, AllenB said:

reluctant to purchase a used m11 (with a 3-6-month warranty) with all the noted issues of freezing, or do you feel Leica has taken steps to resolve most of the issues to your satisfaction?

I just bought a mint used M11-P, so no, I'm not reluctant. It was produced fairly recently, but regardless, I have confidence the issue will be rectified.

Related story, I was an owner of an early production Fujifilm X100, the original version, which suffered from sticky aperture blades. Mine failed on an important month long vacation. It too many months and much public pressure before Fujifilm admitted there was a problem. I never again bought one of their products partly because of how they handled the issue.

Despite issues here and there, I have bought a lot of Leica products over the years.