LeoTheStrategist Posted April 20 Share #61 Posted April 20 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, Ken Abrahams said: The OP can say and do what he likes and doesn't deserve negative treatment. The issue he talks about is important and worth supporting. I had similar issues as per my post #15 and #19. This was a real issue for me and I thought I was going crazy. I wasn't prepared to post about it because it would sound as though I was crazy especially to a largely left brain members this forum. I still get the issue from time to time where the 35 Apo SL seems to expose so far to the right I put the lens away and dare not discuss it for probable user error exposed on these pages. It's quite daunting to get an obtuse difficult to diagnose camera or lens error and takes time to replicate and prove that it exists let alone face a barrage of doubters. I am at least happy that I wasn't going mad back then and the OP has at least helped my thoughts on the issue because I exhausted the possible human error factors multiple times. For me the Apo Summicron SL is a fantastic lens and perhaps I need to send it away for a check? It's too late to return the lens to the shop that sold me the second hand lens, which they told me was in top condition. Hi Ken, I spent a whole day at a Leica Store where I carefully tested each SL lens. Several Leica lenses have this problem with the SL3. Leica is aware of the problem and says they are working on it. The problem is not you or your lens, we just have to wait and see if and when a fix comes out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Markey Posted April 20 Share #62 Posted April 20 Much as I love this forum and find it informative there are times when it could be more understanding of the issues . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 20 Share #63 Posted April 20 Let’s put this into perspective. There are two schools of exposure metering here. One uses the metering tools provided and for them it is not a serious bug, an annoyance at most, the other school prefers to eyeball the EVF for judging exposure. For them it interferes with the use of the camera. However everybody is free to choose and prefer in which way to use the camera and to express his/her preference. Opinions are not facts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roma Posted April 20 Share #64 Posted April 20 (edited) I can certainly see usefulness of eyeballing the exposure through the viewfinder when I’m running around trying to catch moments in changing light. It’s not a dealbreaker since I’ve been shooting for years, but I’d love it if I could see the ballpark exposure before taking the shot. I hope the the lens issue gets fixed for you guys. Please post when it’s resolved. Edited April 20 by roma Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markey Posted April 20 Share #65 Posted April 20 2 hours ago, jaapv said: Let’s put this into perspective. There are two schools of exposure metering here. One uses the metering tools provided and for them it is not a serious bug, an annoyance at most, the other school prefers to eyeball the EVF for judging exposure. For them it interferes with the use of the camera. However everybody is free to choose and prefer in which way to use the camera and to express his/her preference. Opinions are not facts. That much was clear (at least for myself). A desirous design omission might have been a better description perhaps and worth discussing why this wasn`t included ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 20 Share #66 Posted April 20 I can’t believe this behaviour is intentional b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 23 Share #67 Posted April 23 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) The only certainty is that the defect exists, it is clearly visible and seriously compromises the workflow. Leica keeps it carefully hidden, at least we hope they are working on it. In short, let's be clear, this SL3 came out heavily bugged, first the problem of deleting files (shameful) then this….but have you understood that Leica sell this product at $7000 as a top product? Personally, at least for now, I do not recommend purchasing this product and I am seriously considering getting rid of it. Edited April 23 by LeoTheStrategist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 24 Share #68 Posted April 24 If it is that important to you, you probably should sell. Living in stress and disappointment is bad for your health. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 24 Share #69 Posted April 24 (edited) It's not a stress problem, but I'm clearly disappointed. Such a problem is not acceptable on a camera of this level and in general on any camera. Does Leica really think that everyone is an idiot and can ignore such a problem for so long? Luckily my X2D has saved me several jobs! And I say no more. Edited April 24 by LeoTheStrategist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted April 24 Share #70 Posted April 24 A camera can be allowed to lag behind others in cutting-edge technology if it maintains its reputation, but it's unforgivable to sell quality if it lacks it. If a fault is discovered, all the company's resources must prioritize resolving it quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 24 Share #71 Posted April 24 1 hour ago, LeoTheStrategist said: It's not a stress problem, but I'm clearly disappointed. Such a problem is not acceptable on a camera of this level and in general on any camera. Does Leica really think that everyone is an idiot and can ignore such a problem for so long? Luckily my X2D has saved me several jobs! And I say no more. Well, as you know the perception of the problem is quite variable. To me it would be no more than a minor quirk. YMMV I never had a 100% flawless camera in all these years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 24 Share #72 Posted April 24 Not so much perception, for brand lovers who collect cameras on a shelf and look at them, ok, but if you have to work with them, things change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 24 Share #73 Posted April 24 Hmm. My cameras are always out taking photos so a bit beaten up. I adapt my technique to the limitations of my tools, so no problem. I don’t mind learning curves. And your cameras? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted April 24 Share #74 Posted April 24 Really sorry that your experience with Leica cameras hasn’t been a fulfilling one, Leo. Ken 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 24 Share #75 Posted April 24 (edited) Ken, the SL3 came out with several problems, too many to be placed in the category for which it is sold… it almost seems like a worsening compared to the old SL2… Edited April 24 by LeoTheStrategist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMB Posted April 24 Share #76 Posted April 24 For me, the worst kind of blindness is when your eyes see a different version of reality. This isn't a limitation, it's a deception. We know how much each lens deceives us. Is this one I'm using more or less deceptive than the other? How much will the one I'm planning to buy deceive me? Is my interpretation of the problem wrong? Please, can someone clarify for me if this is the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 24 Share #77 Posted April 24 If you feel like that don’t buy. Choose a camera that you will be happy with. It might be the SL3S. Better and faster AF, more modern, better EVF, fantastic sensor, better high-ISO, etc. No complaints from users yet. BTW the difference of opinion on the gravity of the bug lies in the preferred way of setting exposure by the photographer. Those that use the meter and/or histogram only see an unimportant difference of brightness in the EVF, those that use the EVF to eyeball exposure have a more pressing problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmerDraussen Posted April 25 Share #78 Posted April 25 I tried to reproduce the issue with my SL3 and SL2-s in combination with the Summilux SL (I did not notice this before reading about it here) The frame around in EVF is black while shooting and grey in review. By this the EVF looks brighter overall. This is nice, because when working with a tripod, l already looked at the review waiting for the bird to come back😂. When shooting with an aperture of 1.4, I can‘t see a difference between pre- and review in exposure. When stopping down say to f8, the review is brighter than the preview. Inspecting the raw files in Lightroom, there is a clear difference between the shot at f1.4 and f8. With the aperture wide open the shadows are greyish and the colours are much less saturated. The picture from f1.4 looks darker compared to f8. The jpg development in the camera seems to enhance the difference. So at least part of the item is that the camera focuses wide open while the foto may be taken stopped down. Preview and review must be different (everything else would be surprise). Zoom lenses are less prone to this, because they not that fast. Once understood, it is no issue for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoTheStrategist Posted April 25 Share #79 Posted April 25 It depends on the lenses, different lenses manifest the problem differently, for example with the 90mm APO and the two Sigma 14mm f1.8 and f1.4 it is difficult to manage. The SL2 does not have this problem at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveV Posted April 25 Share #80 Posted April 25 (edited) I definitely notice this on my SL3 and my 35 SL APO. Image comes out about a stop brighter than what you see in the viewfinder. If you pay attention to the histogram it's not a real issue, other than being a little annoying. It does not happen with my 24-90 SL zoom or with any of the Lumix S-Pro lenses, nor does it happen with any of my Sigma lenses that I noticed. Leica needs to get on it and fix this for sure. These are not quirks we should be dealing with on a system of this level. Edited April 25 by DaveV 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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