dav3 Posted March 15, 2024 Share #1 Posted March 15, 2024 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi everybody I'm still trying to figure out if i want to go with a "voigtlander nokton f1.5 ASPH Type I" OR the "35mm ultron f2 ASPH type II VM" I was going to grab a 35mm summilux FLE v1 but i do love the idea of the voigtlanders as some have nice characteristics and of course saving 2k Besides the size of lens and f stop, what is the difference between them? Edited March 15, 2024 by dav3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hmzimelka Posted March 15, 2024 Share #2 Posted March 15, 2024 I seem to have had a slightly sub-par (optically) copy of the Ultron 35mm ASPH II (chrome brass) Since selling it, I've seen enough DNG file samples to determine that it is a very good lens optically, so much so I'm considering repurchasing it or the Nokton 35mm f/1.5 ASPH. I came from a Summicron-M 35mm ASPH II, and the 35 Ultron I had was superior in every way except for build and handling. Probably the biggest issue I had and one that keeps me undecided on a repurchase, is The 35mm Ultron ASPH lenses had various reports for uneven focus stiffness and minor binding. Especially when focusing in the vertical shooting orientation. Mine had it too, but it mostly went away after I took it apart and re-greased it with a lighter grease. The Ultron 35mm ASPH build feels behind that of the Ultron 28mm ASPH, which is what I replaced it with. That 28mm Ultron, as well as the Nokton 35mm 1.5 ASPH, simply feels nicer to use. I also never liked the winged aperture of the Ultron 35mm asph. Voigltander lenses have quite some light fall off. The differences between f/2 and f/2.8 with the Ultrons (35mm and 28mm) is a very centralised change in brightness. Unlike Leica, the Voigtlander lenses vignette more. The Nokton 35mm 1.5 ASPH II also has a strong vignette. The Ultron 35mm ASPH II also has a busier and harsher OOF rendering than the Nokton 35mm f/1.5 ASPH. Not to everybody's taste. The Ultron OOF rendering bares more resemblance to the Summilux-M 35mm ASPH FLE than the Nokton would. Personally, I'm more inclined to go for the Nokton 35mm f/1.5 APSH over the Ultron 35mm ASPH. But if I were able to buy an Ultron with a good return policy (not an option where I am) then I would try the Ultron 35mm first. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dav3 Posted March 15, 2024 Author Share #3 Posted March 15, 2024 5 hours ago, hmzimelka said: I seem to have had a slightly sub-par (optically) copy of the Ultron 35mm ASPH II (chrome brass) Since selling it, I've seen enough DNG file samples to determine that it is a very good lens optically, so much so I'm considering repurchasing it or the Nokton 35mm f/1.5 ASPH. I came from a Summicron-M 35mm ASPH II, and the 35 Ultron I had was superior in every way except for build and handling. Probably the biggest issue I had and one that keeps me undecided on a repurchase, is The 35mm Ultron ASPH lenses had various reports for uneven focus stiffness and minor binding. Especially when focusing in the vertical shooting orientation. Mine had it too, but it mostly went away after I took it apart and re-greased it with a lighter grease. The Ultron 35mm ASPH build feels behind that of the Ultron 28mm ASPH, which is what I replaced it with. That 28mm Ultron, as well as the Nokton 35mm 1.5 ASPH, simply feels nicer to use. I also never liked the winged aperture of the Ultron 35mm asph. Voigltander lenses have quite some light fall off. The differences between f/2 and f/2.8 with the Ultrons (35mm and 28mm) is a very centralised change in brightness. Unlike Leica, the Voigtlander lenses vignette more. The Nokton 35mm 1.5 ASPH II also has a strong vignette. The Ultron 35mm ASPH II also has a busier and harsher OOF rendering than the Nokton 35mm f/1.5 ASPH. Not to everybody's taste. The Ultron OOF rendering bares more resemblance to the Summilux-M 35mm ASPH FLE than the Nokton would. Personally, I'm more inclined to go for the Nokton 35mm f/1.5 APSH over the Ultron 35mm ASPH. But if I were able to buy an Ultron with a good return policy (not an option where I am) then I would try the Ultron 35mm first. Awesome! thanks for taking your time I think ill just grab the 35mm nokton 1.5 on amazon! it has 30 day return policy and also i love the fact it comes in a matte black aluminum finish. Love the separation and bokeh on it a lot from what ive seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmzimelka Posted March 16, 2024 Share #4 Posted March 16, 2024 18 hours ago, dav3 said: Awesome! thanks for taking your time I think ill just grab the 35mm nokton 1.5 on amazon! it has 30 day return policy and also i love the fact it comes in a matte black aluminum finish. Love the separation and bokeh on it a lot from what ive seen Cool, hope it's perfect! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 16, 2024 Share #5 Posted March 16, 2024 I have the black paint on brass versions of the 35/2 and 28/2. Both are superb! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauroRau Posted March 17, 2024 Share #6 Posted March 17, 2024 (edited) Hello, I owned the Voigtlander 35mm 1.5 VMII for the last 4 months , I don't pixel peep at 400% but I would say image quality is very good. Build quality is good, if I have to nitpick it can happen to focus unintentionally at 0.5m as there is no click or resistance on the focusing ring to remind you when reaching the rangefinder coupling 0.7m limit, also the lens hood doesn't come with the lens but must be bought separately. Overall I believe is a good lens and definitely an excellent value for the money. Mauro Edited March 17, 2024 by MauroRau spelling mistake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 18, 2024 Share #7 Posted March 18, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 3/15/2024 at 7:57 AM, dav3 said: I'm still trying to figure out if i want to go with a "voigtlander nokton f1.5 ASPH Type I" OR the "35mm ultron f2 ASPH type II VM" [...] I can't seem to recall the type numbers sorry but i use both Ultron 35/2 asph and Nokton 35/1.5 asph on Leica and Sony bodies. In a nutshell, the Ultron 35/2 asph is a sort of compact Summicron 35/2 asph with modern rendition and busier bokeh while the Nokton 35/1.5 asph is a kind of compact Summilux 35/1.4 asph with gentler rendition and smoother bokeh than the Ultron's. As far as sharpness is concerned, both lenses ave very good but they are both rather mediocre as regards color fringing. I keep them for compactness on digital CL mainly but in my short experience (got the Nokton 2 days ago) none of them can compete with their Leica counterparts. Now, subjectively, i'm using the Nokton on my M11 currently and it is a pleasure to use compared to the bulkier and heavier Summilux. 0.5m MFD is another advantage of the Nokton for LV users. FWIW. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dav3 Posted March 18, 2024 Author Share #8 Posted March 18, 2024 Picked this guy up used for 650$ today! Its the Nokton 1.5 Type I which is the lighter aluminum version. Can't wait to try it out Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/390893-any-voigtlander-noktonultron-owners/?do=findComment&comment=5112211'>More sharing options...
lct Posted March 18, 2024 Share #9 Posted March 18, 2024 It's mine too. Hard to unstick it from the M11. Happy snaps 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhun161 Posted March 18, 2024 Share #10 Posted March 18, 2024 voigtlander nokton classic 35mm f1.5 ASPH type 1 is nice lens to have, it's small and compact enough (for me) same as leica summicron 35mm F2 size, but have the F1.5 aperture speed that if you need to use in lowlight situation. And also it renders nice wide open if you nailed the focus. If you close down the aperture F5.6 to F11 it's so sharp. It's my first M mount lens, I tried the leica summilux 35mm F1.4 Asph FLE at leica store, I didn't noticed that much difference between the two. For me, it is nice lens. Always on my leica m11 from the time I bought it. Happy shooting 👍📸 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted March 19, 2024 Share #11 Posted March 19, 2024 I had the 35mm/1.5 Nokton I and was disappointed in its edge and corner resolution even stopped down. I now have the Voigtländer 35mm/2 Apo Lanthar, which is far better optically, though larger. The 35mm Apo is sharp at all apertures, has nice bokeh, very low longitudinal color error, but does have slight focus shift at some apertures (using the EVF helps overcome this). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 20, 2024 Share #12 Posted March 20, 2024 (edited) 22 hours ago, sdk said: I had the 35mm/1.5 Nokton I and was disappointed in its edge and corner resolution even stopped down. May i ask if you have images showing this? I don't shoot sharp edges or corners usually but i can get results like this easily (M11, VM 35/1.5 asph, f/2). https://photos.smugmug.com/Diverse/n-QFBj4/Leica-M11-CV-3515-asph/i-678LcXK/0/DppcSWBtWrzx34DJRwLqNBRmqj6RmjXMDfxcL3Rts/X4/M1106206_sipse-X4.jpg Edited March 20, 2024 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianforber Posted March 22, 2024 Share #13 Posted March 22, 2024 On 3/18/2024 at 6:25 PM, dav3 said: Picked this guy up used for 650$ today! Its the Nokton 1.5 Type I which is the lighter aluminum version. Can't wait to try it out How are you getting on with the lens? I have that version and can’t fault it! I’ve never had another 35mm though so I have nothing to compare it to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 22, 2024 Share #14 Posted March 22, 2024 Only con i found on the Nokton 35/1.5 asph is color fringing but i only have a couple days experience with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dav3 Posted March 22, 2024 Author Share #15 Posted March 22, 2024 2 hours ago, ianforber said: How are you getting on with the lens? I have that version and can’t fault it! I’ve never had another 35mm though so I have nothing to compare it to. Been using it for the past few days on my m11-p. So far I am loving it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksrhee Posted March 23, 2024 Share #16 Posted March 23, 2024 10 hours ago, dav3 said: Been using it for the past few days on my m11-p. So far I am loving it! Great. My 35mm 1.5 type 1 is superb! Can't beat the price and value combo. Size, look on my M10M is simply perfect. Enjoy! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironcreek Posted March 23, 2024 Share #17 Posted March 23, 2024 I have both the 28 and 50 Nokton and very happy with both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dav3 Posted March 23, 2024 Author Share #18 Posted March 23, 2024 11 hours ago, Ironcreek said: I have both the 28 and 50 Nokton and very happy with both. I think I’ll grab the 28 as well!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 23, 2024 Share #19 Posted March 23, 2024 (edited) 34 minutes ago, M6newBie said: [...] Right now, my only usable M-lens is the Nokton 35mm f/1.4 Classic II. It is tack sharp. My only question is about the view finder frame which is quite a bit too generous and seems more like 28mm than 35mm. [...] If you mean in the OVF, the Nokton 35/1.4 is supposed to bring up the same 35mm frame lines as the Nokton 35/1.5 and other 35mm M-mount lenses. You may wish to check it with the Image Field Selector (14). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 23, 2024 by lct Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/390893-any-voigtlander-noktonultron-owners/?do=findComment&comment=5128285'>More sharing options...
lct Posted March 24, 2024 Share #20 Posted March 24, 2024 1 hour ago, M6newBie said: To be honest with you, I really do not care. Neither do i but i thought you were asking a question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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