New challenger : X100 VI vs Q3 in 35mm crop mode

[Chris W]

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Fuji for JPEGS.

Although it usually takes me no more than a couple of minutes and two or three clicks of a mouse to get excellent processed from raw images in Capture One.

Trying to get the perfect image on JPEG in camera is more hassle and stressful IMO.

[JTLeica]

Here is a relatively extreme example of Leica JPG (untouched) vs a Leica DNG that has been processed.

The JPG produced is basically worthless and to me look terrible, crunchy, harsh etc, its also oversharp

 

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[Le Chef]

5 hours ago, JTLeica said:

Here is a relatively extreme example of Leica JPG (untouched) vs a Leica DNG that has been processed.

The JPG produced is basically worthless and to me look terrible, crunchy, harsh etc, its also oversharp

 

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Pretty worthless comparison. Why not leave both unprocessed as JPEG and DNG?

[GREG PLAT]

6 hours ago, JTLeica said:

Here is a relatively extreme example of Leica JPG (untouched) vs a Leica DNG that has been processed.

The JPG produced is basically worthless and to me look terrible, crunchy, harsh etc, its also oversharp

 

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Great edit. Would you like please to show us JPEG and RAW with no edit? 

[JTLeica]

2 hours ago, Le Chef said:

Pretty worthless comparison. Why not leave both unprocessed as JPEG and DNG?

An illustration of what you are missing if you dont edit. The out of camera JPG is pretty much unusable. 

The Unedited DNG... this is kind pointless though as its just the same as the JPG...

 

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Edited February 27, 2024 by JTLeica

[JTLeica]

1 hour ago, GREG PLAT said:

Great edit. Would you like please to show us JPEG and RAW with no edit? 

Thanks, just posted above, my point is some images, like the one above without any editing would be just a load of junk, so much data is lost without pushing the files.

[KateStarr]

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8 hours ago, JTLeica said:

Here is a relatively extreme example of Leica JPG (untouched) vs a Leica DNG that has been processed.

The JPG produced is basically worthless and to me look terrible, crunchy, harsh etc, its also oversharp

 

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Which Leica camera was used for this?

 

[GREG PLAT]

12 minutes ago, JTLeica said:

Thanks, just posted above, my point is some images, like the one above without any editing would be just a load of junk, so much data is lost without pushing the files.

Thanks. The results are amazing! This is why the dilemma to decide which camera I ll buy is so so difficult.

Q3 has amazing lens, full frame and Fuji X100VI more portable and great JPEG. 
I like 28mm more than 35mm. If I buy X100 VI I will use the extension lens 28mm. 
I can’t test any camera. I must buy one. Any last ideas or suggestions?

[Le Chef]

25 minutes ago, GREG PLAT said:

I must buy one.

Why? You could rent a Q2 and a X100V which would get you most of the way there, and then decide. Depending on where you live posters here could steer you to a reputable rental company.

Edited February 27, 2024 by Le Chef

[JTLeica]

38 minutes ago, KateStarr said:

 

Which Leica camera was used for this?

 

A Q3

[JTLeica]

1 minute ago, Le Chef said:

Why? You could rent a Q2 and a X100V which would get you most of the way there, and then decide.

Probably a wide choice yes

[Qwertynm]

vor 46 Minuten schrieb GREG PLAT:

Any last ideas or suggestions?

Yes! Get the XT-5 with the 18 1.4. much better quality lens compared to the wide angle lens adapter. If you must have OVF consider the Xpro-3. the X100 is the wrong camera for you

 

Edited February 27, 2024 by Qwertynm

[GREG PLAT]

34 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

Why? You could rent a Q2 and a X100V which would get you most of the way there, and then decide. Depending on where you live posters here could steer you to a reputable rental company.

There is no ability to do it here I am. So I must decide!

[GREG PLAT]

23 minutes ago, Qwertynm said:

Yes! Get the XT-5 with the 18 1.4. much better quality lens compared to the wide angle lens adapter. If you must have OVF consider the Xpro-3. the X100 is the wrong camera for you

 

Why you believe X100 is a wrong camera? Because the 28mm lens is not good? 
I have Xt5 but I want to take in my trips only one camera and one lens. Nothing else! No extra lenses etc

But if you believe that the results I will have with XT5 and 18/1.4 will be great better from X100VI with 28mm lens and similar to Leica Q3 I will think of it very seriously.

 

 

 

[Qwertynm]

vor 23 Minuten schrieb GREG PLAT:

Why you believe X100 is a wrong camera?

The X100 has a 35mm eq. Lens. The 28mm wide angle adapter is just that, an adapter. It’s never going to be as good as a native 28eq. lens. I haven‘t tried the wide angle adapter on the X100 I once had but word on the street is that the lens smears the corners and is front heavy and feels unbalanced.
 

If you already have an XT-5 just get the XF 18 1.4 and bring only that. It will be 1 stop faster and overall the better lens than the X100 with the wide angle adapter. 

[GREG PLAT]

1 minute ago, Qwertynm said:

The X100 has a 35mm eq. Lens. The 28mm wide angle adapter is just that, an adapter. It’s never going to be as good as a native 28eq. lens. I haven‘t tried the wide angle adapter on the X100 I once had but word on the street is that the lens smears the corners and is front heavy and feels unbalanced.
 

If you already have an XT-5 just get the XF 18 1.4 and bring only that. It will be 1 stop faster and overall the better lens than the X100 with the wide angle adapter. 

So you believe Xt5 with 18/1,4 is better from Leica Q3? What’s your opinion? 

[JohnSantaF4]

On 2/20/2024 at 4:29 AM, JoshuaRothman said:

I agree with this (although a recent search through my Lightroom catalog revealed many X100 images that looked wonderful). I'll add to your list the noisy focus motor: when you hold an X100V up to your eye, you can hear the motor churning as it searches for focus. When I owned one, it drove me crazy.

I shot with the X100T, F, and V before moving to Leica M via the Q2. As soon as I saw the X100VI I began thinking seriously about selling my Q2 and Ricoh GR III to buy one. I spent many happy years owning only an X100-series camera and using it everywhere . . . . But the thing about this type of camera (compact, fixed-lens) is that it's all compromises and trade-offs and you have to figure out EXACTLY where you want to be and how the camera will fit into your life. The X100s are bigger than the GRs, but they have viewfinders and manual controls and superior autofocus; they're smaller than the Qs, but they have fiddly ergonomics and don't produce as beautiful images and have ludicrously complicated menus. The new X100VI further complicates the picture by adding a usable 50mm crop and modern AF that definitely beats the Q2 and looks to be competitive with the Q3.

Being well-aware of all the trade-offs among these various cameras, I think I'm going to place a pre-order for the VI and try one out. My Q2 and GR III basically sit on my shelf, and I suspect that the new Fuji could replace both of them cost-effectively.

What would you think of the SL2-S as an all-rounder? I have the Q2M but the fixed lens is somewhat limiting, so leaning against the Q3.

[Le Chef]

20 minutes ago, GREG PLAT said:

So you believe Xt5 with 18/1,4 is better from Leica Q3? What’s your opinion? 

FF and 60MP plays APSC and 40MP, if both have a 28mm lens or equivalent. If you’re comfortable spending $6,000 on a camera then I don’t believe you would regret it.

[JTLeica]

27 minutes ago, GREG PLAT said:

Thanks. The results are amazing! This is why the dilemma to decide which camera I ll buy is so so difficult.

Q3 has amazing lens, full frame and Fuji X100VI more portable and great JPEG. 
I like 28mm more than 35mm. If I buy X100 VI I will use the extension lens 28mm. 
I can’t test any camera. I must buy one. Any last ideas or suggestions?

Oh I missed the fact you like 28 more than 35, oh dear. Ahh it really is so tough to advise you, the Q3 won’t ever disappoint and you’ll be very happy with the quality of the files but as you can see, there’s so much more you can get out of them than just the jpg and I do feel you’re missing a lot by just shooting jpg with the Leica.

That said you’re still missing a lot shooting jpg with anything.

I too love taking photos but I also love editing and love creating something from a base image.

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[Qwertynm]

vor 50 Minuten schrieb GREG PLAT:

So you believe Xt5 with 18/1,4 is better from Leica Q3?

Have you watched the video I posted above? Samuel compares the two lenses. The sensors I‘d expect the Q3 to perform better than the XT-5. In my experience full frame always has a little edge over APS-C. I‘d rate it Q3 > Q2 > XT-5 w/ XF 18 1.4 > … > X100 with WA 28