Used M10 randomly turns off.

[aamwgm]

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I've recently acquired a used M10 off MPB. The camera performs as expected, but I've started noticing a strange issue with it: if the camera has been off for a while, it tends to randomly shut off after a few seconds of use during the first few minutes of being turned on. This usually only happens once: either during previewing pictures I've just taken or while looking through the viewfinder. Half pressing the shutter button brings the camera back to life, though, and then the problem tends to go away.

Should I be concerned? Or could it just be an issue with the battery not being warm enough? Or should I just return this camera and buy used off the Leica Classic store?

I'm running the latest firmware: 3.22.23.28, with the Elmarit 28 ASPH.

[M11 for me]

If you can still give your camera back then give it bsck. You noticed that it does not behave as it should and you do not know what else might be wrong with it. 

[aamwgm]

39 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

If you can still give your camera back then give it bsck. You noticed that it does not behave as it should and you do not know what else might be wrong with it. 

I think so too, so far I've had a rough ride with used Leica gear. 🙂

[overexposed]

silly quick thought, sleep mode time set to a handful of seconds?

did you try to factory reset the camera?

[aamwgm]

11 minutes ago, overexposed said:

silly quick thought, sleep mode time set to a handful of seconds?

did you try to factory reset the camera?

Haven't tried factory reset, no, and no, the sleep is set to 2 mins. It happens very randomly, and I cannot reproduce it.

[M11 for me]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb aamwgm:

It happens very randomly, and I cannot reproduce it.

That should not happen.

[charlesphoto99]

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Sounds like something that happened to my M10-R where the back buttons stopped working. I was able to take photos, just not preview them. This happened only when it got warm out though. Leica repaired under warranty. I would return if you have the chance. 

Edited February 1, 2024 by charlesphoto99

[aamwgm]

34 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Sounds like something that happened to my M10-R where the back buttons stopped working. I was able to take photos, just not preview them. This happened only when it got warm out though. Leica repaired under warranty. I would return if you have the chance. 

Thankfully, MPB have been quite cooperative. They've asked me to return the camera and they'll issue a full refund. I buy a new M10 off the Leica classic store, to stay within Leica's ecosystem and warranty.

[aamwgm]

1 minute ago, Al Brown said:

While many things at MPB are OK I think *everything* comes their system through their way of buying gear cheaply off customers, so duds and lemons are surely common. B&H for instance sells the customer returns that are flawed as "used" or "open box", you get decentered lenses, freezing cameras, camera mounts with sloppy fit etc. etc. and they hope the next buyer that pays less does not complain or does not return again.

Would the recommendation then be buying off leica classic (if buying used?)

[aamwgm]

15 hours ago, Al Brown said:

I did buy from them three times - from Italy, Germany and Austria online - the experience was always spot on. You ALWAYS have 14 days to return the goods no questions asked in EU online retail.

MPB have agreed to take the camera back (its over the return period, but they were understanding when I told them of the issues), so I'll be sending the camera back. I found another mint M10 off Leica Classics (Munich) with just about 2500 shutter actuations (the seller confirmed). Now its a matter of waiting.

[aamwgm]

Update: placed the order on Thursday (last week) and the shop (Munich) seems to just be sitting on the order since then. Pretty darn slow, if you ask me.

[Ted99]

The last days my M10-P with the evf -Leica Visoflex (Typ 020), shuts down suddenly, extremely annoying. 85% of battery capacity and about 0°C. It works a while and then black out after a few seconds.
After a few days of regret over expected expenses I decided to test if it works with the Leica lenses, they performed as expected even the 90 mm without coding.
I cleaned the the bayonet,  I use the Novoflex converter.
This was the trick , now it works great, CZ 300 mm/ 4-32, and the battery life is much longer, even the photos is considerably sharper probable because the focusing process works more distinct I presume.

Now i really hope this will last.

/Ted

Edited February 8, 2024 by Ted99

[Stevejack]

12 hours ago, Ted99 said:

The last days my M10-P with the evf -Leica Visoflex (Typ 020), shuts down suddenly, extremely annoying. 85% of battery capacity and about 0°C. It works a while and then black out after a few seconds.
After a few days of regret over expected expenses I decided to test if it works with the Leica lenses, they performed as expected even the 90 mm without coding.
I cleaned the the bayonet,  I use the Novoflex converter.
This was the trick , now it works great, CZ 300 mm/ 4-32, and the battery life is much longer, even the photos is considerably sharper probable because the focusing process works more distinct I presume.

Now i really hope this will last.

/Ted

When you say it shuts down, the entire camera was dead?  

It almost sounds like live-view turning off. I had this all the time on my M10-M when using a screw to bayonet adapter. It would close the shutter and exit out of live-view, because light would reach the lens code reader (or something similar) and the camera would think there was no lens attached. But the camera itself didn't turn off. Yours was completely shutting down?

[Ted99]

The live view shuts down.

Ted

[mujk]

31 minutes ago, Ted99 said:

The live view shuts down.

Ted

Known issue, as described by @Stevejack. Particularly common with so called cutout LTM adapters, but can happen with other adapters as well in bright conditions. And, at least in theory, with uncoded lenses as well.

Some have fixed the issue by covering the small gap between the adapter and body with a flat rubber band or similar.

[Stevejack]

27 minutes ago, mujk said:

Known issue, as described by @Stevejack. Particularly common with so called cutout LTM adapters, but can happen with other adapters as well in bright conditions. And, at least in theory, with uncoded lenses as well.

Some have fixed the issue by covering the small gap between the adapter and body with a flat rubber band or similar.

Yep, I would just put a small piece of tape over the gap so the light didn't trigger the sensor. Solved the issue entirely while in use, but obviously a new adapter is the permanent solution.