That X1!

[Einst_Stein]

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I have totally forgot the beauty of X1 until today, when a friend carries his X1. 
The body depth is less than half of X113. I checked X2 size, X1:x2:x113 is 30mm:50mm:70mm. 
Peehaps due to the larger sensor element, at base ISO, X1’s color seems “sweeter” than X2 and X113, though the high ISO is inferior. But with the tiny Leica table pods who care the super high ISO!

 

Edited January 28, 2024 by Einst_Stein

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[dpitt]

I have the X2 and love it for its small size and weight.

With collapsed lenses there is not much difference in size between the X1 and X2.
The body depth is almost exactly the same... so surely not a 20mm difference.

The sensor is the same APS-C size too.

The main difference is that X1 is 12MP and X2 is 16 MP, X2 has a connection for an external EVF which is for me the biggest advantage (optical correction in EVF). Neither of the screens is very bright, so using an OVF 36mm with the X1 and EVF with the X2 is recommended in bright sunlight. I never did a direct compare so I can not comment on IQ or high ISO performance.

 

 

[Einst_Stein]

8 hours ago, dpitt said:

I have the X2 and love it for its small size and weight.

With collapsed lenses there is not much difference in size between the X1 and X2.
The body depth is almost exactly the same... so surely not a 20mm difference.

The sensor is the same APS-C size too.

The main difference is that X1 is 12MP and X2 is 16 MP, X2 has a connection for an external EVF which is for me the biggest advantage (optical correction in EVF). Neither of the screens is very bright, so using an OVF 36mm with the X1 and EVF with the X2 is recommended in bright sunlight. I never did a direct compare so I can not comment on IQ or high ISO performance.

 

 

They are all small. I agree practically the extra 20mm is not a big deal. It is just about feeling. 

[bcorton]

Also, if I recall correctly, the X1 has no anti-aliasing filter, whereas the X2 does. Does that ring a bell with anyone else?

Edited January 28, 2024 by bcorton

[Einst_Stein]

2 hours ago, bcorton said:

Also, if I recall correctly, the X1 has no anti-aliasing filter, whereas the X2 does. Does that ring a bell with anyone else?

I would think this is minor.  Much less  than the MP difference. I take an X camera just a P&S. Any serious concern would turn to more serious camera. 

Edited January 29, 2024 by Einst_Stein

[dpitt]

17 hours ago, Einst_Stein said:

They are all small. I agree practically the extra 20mm is not a big deal. It is just about feeling. 

Can you show me a picture where this 20mm is? I think the outer dimensions of X1 and X2 are exactly the same as far as I can see on pictures. Accessories like the handgrip fit both X1 and X2 so the base plate is exactly the same.

[Einst_Stein]

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I don’t have x2. It is in the specs. 
 

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[tom0511]

I had both x1 and x2 and I think to remember they were about the same size.

I also believe both had an AA-filter. I really liked them as small camera with big sensor.

I think the x113 became too big. Today my GRIII(x) does fulfill the same goal for me. 

[Einst_Stein]

1 hour ago, tom0511 said:

I had both x1 and x2 and I think to remember they were about the same size.

I also believe both had an AA-filter. I really liked them as small camera with big sensor.

I think the x113 became too big. Today my GRIII(x) does fulfill the same goal for me. 

The Leica spec shows 20mm difference, right or wrong. 

X 113 is not called X3 might have  a good reason! It is not to replace X1 or X2.

Edited January 29, 2024 by Einst_Stein

[DaveMo]

I have an X1 and an X2 and can confirm that they are both the same size. The 20mm error comes from the X1 is measured over the body thickness only and the X2 is body plus the retracted lens. The X1 additional grip can be used on both bodies as all of the dimensions/screw thread locations are the same.

The X typ113 and X-Vario are basically the same body style and the grip for the X fits X-Vario. The batteries are common across all of the X style cameras.

[tom0511]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Einst_Stein:

The Leica spec shows 20mm difference, right or wrong. 

X 113 is not called X3 might have  a good reason! It is not to replace X1 or X2.

Then the specs you googled must be wrong.

When they changed from X2 to X type 113 they did it for all cameras (same for S (type 006) /M (type 240)etc.) Some years later they changed back to M10/S3 etc.

Must have been the idea of some marketing consultants.

Edited January 30, 2024 by tom0511

[Einst_Stein]

6 hours ago, tom0511 said:

Then the specs you googled must be wrong.

When they changed from X2 to X type 113 they did it for all cameras (same for S (type 006) /M (type 240)etc.) Some years later they changed back to M10/S3 etc.

Must have been the idea of some marketing consultants.

No, the spec is correct, it is the interpretation,

[tom0511]

vor 48 Minuten schrieb Einst_Stein:

No, the spec is correct, it is the interpretation,

So where exactly is the x2 20mm larger than the x1? (I always have preferred facts to interpretations, beginning at school when were expected to do interpretations of books and paintings without having any idea what the writer/ painter really had in mind) 

[DaveMo]

@tom0511, see my post above  (#10) it explains how there is a 20mm difference between the bodies. I have both of them here and can vouch they are the same size.

[Myvalko]

Hi. I recall there was also an x-e, very similar to the x-2, correct?

I am the happy owner of a x1 which internal died and cannot be repair. I wish Leica would provide a better service for this kind of non mechanical nor electronic issues…

[dpitt]

6 hours ago, Myvalko said:

Hi. I recall there was also an x-e, very similar to the x-2, correct?

I am the happy owner of a x1 which internal died and cannot be repair. I wish Leica would provide a better service for this kind of non mechanical nor electronic issues…

Sorry to hear your X1 died.

Leica did support their own production for at least 10 years. X1 production ended in 2012 with the introduction of the X2. What do you expect after 12 years?

Take care!  Support of X2 and X-E have expired as well. So they still produce great images, but are a total loss if anything major happens. OTOH they can still provide much joy for 20 years if you are lucky.

With the X2, I can fully recommend the EVF (either Leica or the Olympus one). If you have a nice OVF from the X1 days, that is fine too.
I am not sure what the X-E improvements are.