Grey card

[Marc B-C]

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15 minutes ago, evikne said:

The difference of using a white balance reference compared to AWB is often warmer, more pleasing and more natural colors. Very nice for portraits. But you usually don't notice it until you get the chance to compare. 

I have a grey card but do not use it. I do agree with @evikne: on my Q2 AWB tends to be on the cooler side of what I may prefer.

[evikne]

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Edited January 19, 2024 by evikne

[Ronaldraw]

15 hours ago, evikne said:

@evikne

And thirdly, you need to use the same white balance when editing the images in LR (As Shot).

I understand one and two but:

And thirdly, you need to use the same white balance when editing the images in LR (As Shot)

How do I set the white balance in Lightroom the same as with my camera, or do you not mean this?

I have set White balans in Camera Matching profiles, not instead of Adobe RGB.
I consistently used the gray card, especially when changing setups and lighting. Despite that, the colors do not match what I see in the camera.
 

 

Edited January 19, 2024 by Ronaldraw

[evikne]

20 minutes ago, Ronaldraw said:

How do I set the white balance in Lightroom the same as with my camera, or do you not mean this?

I have set White balans in Camera Matching profiles, not instead of Adobe RGB.
I consistently used the gray card, especially when changing setups and lighting. Despite that, the colors do not match what I see in the camera.

Sorry, it probably sounded more complicated than it really is. It has nothing to do with profiles. I just meant that you should let LR leave the white balance unchanged, because the gray card white balance is already embedded in the image file. So in the LR's Basic panel, just leave the WB at "As Shot", where it probably already is.

But I don't know why the colors are still wrong.

[M11 for me]

vor 18 Minuten schrieb evikne:

But I don't know why the colors are still wrong.

Could it be that the used Grey Card is neither Grey nor free from some color cast? Often the "cheap" products and not worth much.

[Ronaldraw]

18 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

Could it be that the used Grey Card is neither Grey nor free from some color cast? Often the "cheap" products and not worth much.

It's a brand new card and it was but cheap 

[evikne]

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1 hour ago, Ronaldraw said:

I consistently used the gray card, especially when changing setups and lighting. Despite that, the colors do not match what I see in the camera.

When you say "in the camera", do you mean in the viewfinder, or on the LCD after taking a picture? If the colors look correct on the LCD screen, there is probably something wrong happening after the images have been transferred to LR.

Edited January 19, 2024 by evikne

[Ronaldraw]

1 hour ago, evikne said:

When you say "in the camera", do you mean in the viewfinder, or on the LCD after taking a picture? If the colors look correct on the LCD screen, there is probably something wrong happening after the images have been transferred to LR.

Yes, I mean on the LCD after taking a picture. Something is indeed happening in Lr. 

I just found something interesting about it. 

It has tob e with the "profile" select Adobe Neutral. it will give you a raw uncooked image.
See the link and scrol down to CRJ1001
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/why-does-the-color-and-or-tone-of-my-image-change-after-import/td-p/1442902
 

[evikne]

19 minutes ago, Ronaldraw said:

Yes, I mean on the LCD after taking a picture. Something is indeed happening in Lr. 

I just found something interesting about it. 

It has tob e with the "profile" select Adobe Neutral. it will give you a raw uncooked image.
See the link and scrol down to CRJ1001
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/why-does-the-color-and-or-tone-of-my-image-change-after-import/td-p/1442902
 

But the next answer (and which is marked as "correct", says: "… the initial preview is just the camera-processed jpeg. It gets replaced by the Lightroom rendering that happens to be set as default settings".

The Adobe Neutral profile is no more correct than any other, and it is not the same as the one the camera uses in its preview. You can try selecting an embedded Leica profile in LR if it exists, but it probably won't quite match what you see on the camera either. My Leica M10 profile certainly doesn't match what I see on my M10 camera. But I once had a Canon camera that did.

I think maybe you should try not to set the white balance directly in the camera, but just take a picture of the gray card and set the white balance with the WB pipette in LR afterwards. Then copy this white balance onto the other images. This is both faster and easier, and you can be sure that the white balance will be the same as in the reference image, regardless of which profile you choose in LR.

You will probably never get an image that is exactly the same as what you see on the camera, but you can create a new one that is even better!

[Ronaldraw]

@evikne

Thank you very much for the explanation and advice.  I really appreciate this.  I'm going to try it out

You mean like in this example 

 

I hope this is possible in Lr mobile as well. I have to figure this out 

Edited January 19, 2024 by Ronaldraw

[MikeD70]

I pretty much stopped using gray cards back when I found the levels adjustment in photoshop.  Setting the white and/or black point is a lot better.  IMHO

[evikne]

32 minutes ago, Ronaldraw said:

You mean like in this example 

I hope this is possible in Lr mobile as well. I have to figure this out 

Yes, but I wouldn't use the pipette on the white of the eye, because it's rarely a neutral white. Use your gray card instead.

[Ronaldraw]

22 minutes ago, evikne said:

Yes, but I wouldn't use the pipette on the white of the eye, because it's rarely a neutral white. Use your gray card instead.

But I have to do this by every single photo or can I make a preset from the first photo? 

[evikne]

11 minutes ago, Ronaldraw said:

But I have to do this by every single photo or can I make a preset from the first photo? 

You only take one image of the gray card in the same light as the main subject, either before or after or between the other images. In LR, click with the WB eyedropper on the gray card in the reference image and copy the white balance values from this image. Then select all the other images from the same session and paste these values on all of them at the same time.

In LR Classic this is very quick and easy, but I'm not sure if or how this works in the other versions. 

[M11 for me]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb Ronaldraw:

It's a brand new card and it was but cheap 

I am soryy and I did not want to be offending. I wanted to make a general remark.

[Ronaldraw]

23 hours ago, evikne said:

You only take one image of the gray card in the same light as the main subject, either before or after or between the other images. In LR, click with the WB eyedropper on the gray card in the reference image and copy the white balance values from this image. Then select all the other images from the same session and paste these values on all of them at the same time.

In LR Classic this is very quick and easy, but I'm not sure if or how this works in the other versions. 

I have approached the photo production (consisting of headbands in various colors) in the following manner to ensure the correct color:

For each photo, I placed a piece of the gray filter next to the subject. In Lightroom, I used the eyedropper tool over the gray, but I didn't obtain the right color. Once I moved the eyedropper over the white area where the subject is placed, I managed to achieve the correct color. It was a bit of a search at times.

Perhaps it would have been better to periodically take a photo of just the gray filter to preserve the settings, as described by @Evine.
?

[wda]

On 1/18/2024 at 9:16 PM, Qwertynm said:

Always thought an 18% greycard was to meter the scene not measure the white balance. 

It is. It is  not necessarily spectrally neutral and therefore is not strictly accurate for white balance.  Although,  in the absence of a calibrated grey card, it will get you close. 

Edited January 20, 2024 by wda

[evikne]

48 minutes ago, Ronaldraw said:

For each photo, I placed a piece of the gray filter next to the subject. In Lightroom, I used the eyedropper tool over the gray, but I didn't obtain the right color. Once I moved the eyedropper over the white area where the subject is placed, I managed to achieve the correct color. It was a bit of a search at times.

So the gray card is included in all the images, and then you crop it out afterwards? It's very strange that the colors don't turn out right when you click on the gray card. What version of LR are you using? Did you say you only use LR Mobile?

Edited January 20, 2024 by evikne

[Ronaldraw]

13 minutes ago, evikne said:

So the gray card is included in all the images, and then you crop it out afterwards? It's very strange that the colors don't turn out right when you click on the gray card. What version of LR are you using? Did you say you only use LR Mobile?

Yes, I use the Lr mobile on a iPad pro. I crop indeed it outwards. 

I'm thinking to buy a macbook so I can get the Lr classic 

Edited January 20, 2024 by Ronaldraw

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[evikne]

14 minutes ago, Ronaldraw said:

Yes, I use the Lr mobile on a iPad pro. I crop indeed it outwards. 

I'm thinking to buy a macbook so I can get the Lr classic 

I tried to do some of this in LR on my phone. It is possible, but very cumbersome. If you're thinking of doing a lot of this kind of editing, I would highly recommend a MacBook with LR Classic.