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Is the M10-D future save?

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16 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

Why is it important?

When buying a used car, would you want to know the mileage?

Sure, there are other factors like highway vs city driving, how strictly maintenance was followed, winter driving, was the car tracked, etc., but mileage is the easiest metric to generalize wear and tear.

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3 hours ago, weatherproof said:

When buying a used car, would you want to know the mileage?

Sure, there are other factors like highway vs city driving, how strictly maintenance was followed, winter driving, was the car tracked, etc., but mileage is the easiest metric to generalize wear and tear.

Sure, for a car.

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3 hours ago, IkarusJohn said:

Sure, for a car.

Presented with the choice of two used M10s, both the same price and similar visible conditions, but one has 50,000 actuations, and the other has 2,000; you're telling me most people here wouldn't choose the lower count?

But I dunno, maybe an intact base plate sticker matters more than shutter count.

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21 minutes ago, weatherproof said:

...maybe an intact base plate sticker matters more than shutter count...

Damn It! That's the first thing to go in the bin hereabouts.

No idea whether or not shutter-count is an accurate indicator of possible longevity. When I traded it in the shutter-count of my M9-P had to be checked twice as the dealership didn't believe the reading (80,000 or thereabouts) could possibly be correct as the camera was in such fantastic condition. Don't know, either, whether the camera lasted long with the new owner but it was sold within two days of being advertised so, clearly, even such a high count didn't seem to be too much of a worry for the buyer.

My current Canon DSLR is just about to pass the 1/2 million mark and - one slightly tardy rear-panel button apart - still works like new.

Shutter-count might be of interest but IMO the way the camera has been treated in use is far more important as far as reliability is concerned. Unfortunately detail that is also hard to ascertain.

Philip.

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4 hours ago, weatherproof said:

Presented with the choice of two used M10s, both the same price and similar visible conditions, but one has 50,000 actuations, and the other has 2,000; you're telling me most people here wouldn't choose the lower count?

But I dunno, maybe an intact base plate sticker matters more than shutter count.

Can’t speak for anyone else here, but for me, no.

Even with a conservative shutter life expectancy of 150,000 actuations, even if I took 100 images every day (which I don’t, and I suspect would result in a very low hit rate), the shutter would last over 4 years.  At that rate, I would expect the camera to be very tired …

 

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In 2007 when I joined this forum, the M8 was a new and exciting camera. Back then, a phrase which was bandied around a lot, it seemed, was 'an expensive paperweight.' 'If you buy one of those, within ten years, you'll have an expensive paperweight.' Read that on here all the time.

I think the passing of time has largely robbed the doomsayers of being able to say I told you so.

My girfriend's 2006 Nikon D40 is still soldiering on. And I have a friend who owns a Canon Powershot G7, also from 2006. He uses it a lot, and stubbornly refuses to upgrade, because it still works perfectly. My M9 Monochrom is now into its twelfth year with me, and it still works great. Better, in fact, than when it was new. There were initial quirks and glitches with the M9 Monochrom - ironed out with subsequent firmware upgrades.

The only real problem, as has been pointed out, is these older cameras are unsupported now. So if something fails, it'll likely be unavailable as a spare. But if it works, don't worry about it. Better to be an optimist, than a pessimist about these things. Or, at least, a cheerful pessimist.

 

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I got an offer to trade my M10 Monochrom for M10-D (both in pristine condition), and I don't know what do to.

I like black and white pictures, but at the same time I could live without pure BW camera.

I've always wanted M10-D as "my personal" camera, and now when I have the chance to do it, I'm overthinking it...

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vor 8 Stunden schrieb borisk:

I got an offer to trade my M10 Monochrom for M10-D (both in pristine condition), and I don't know what do to.

I like black and white pictures, but at the same time I could live without pure BW camera.

I've always wanted M10-D as "my personal" camera, and now when I have the chance to do it, I'm overthinking it...

years ago i was torn, just like you @borisk with many others, between b&w and color capable cameras.  i decided at that time for the M10-D because i felt, featuring a relatively high-res sensor, it should be able to do everything a monochrom is capable of.  and then more, such as let me simulate in the post-processing phase a variety of color filters before the actual color-to-gray (c2g) conversion; generate those b&w pictures at 48bit color depth; have the option of using global vs focal contrast conversion techniques; allow for my choice of flavor from a plethora of off-line software products that all come with their own characteristic decisive look encountered in mainstream b&w photography.

today, with cameras featuring ever increasing sensor resolution, one has even more data bandwidth at hand to regenerate that smoothness and richness in b&w pictures so typical for monochrome sensors - if desired so. 

now, speaking solely for my own photographic needs, the color capable M10 and M11 sensors do a perfectly good job for creating the material suited for a subsequent c2g conversion step.  hence i am not sure what else i want from a camera to technically arrive at such like this chemist's photo (asa/iso 200, f2, 1/125, original color data void for sharpening or denoising before c2g conversion) - except perhaps to hope for luckier moments of shutter release.

anyway, that's my input on a saturday morning while the house was still quiet up to a moment ago...

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vor 59 Minuten schrieb M11 for me:

I just re-visited your website with the "chemist"; just a beautiful and impressive site. You do great c2g conversion.

thank you for your warm comment, @M11 for me , very kind of you !

look, i believe at some point i will need to revisit some of these c2g converted pics as they look too dark to me : i finally finally color/contrast-calibrated my large monitor quite recently, after 20 years having neglected this crucial fact as i was to shy to invest the time (everything is more complicated on linux) though ultimately it turned out to be pretty straightforward installing the calibrating hardware & software.

in any case, and just for the interested ones, my color-to-gray processing pipeline is truly rudimentary : raw neutral(!) conversion from DNG to PNG without sharpening or denoising, gimp/gegl/c2g conversion with standard settings, crop, global contrast adjustment, that's it.  i hardly ever do manual corrections locally in a photo, no time for such.  and the resulting photos admittedly don't look polished, but noisier and less sharp, i guess a bit like silver-based images ☺️

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