crop curiosity

[markc2]

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With the m8 was it hard to get used to the crop?

 

Thanks

Mark

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[a.noctilux]

5 minutes ago, markc2 said:

With the m8 was it hard to get used to the crop?

 

Thanks

Mark

No.

Framing guided by the lens mounted.

At first I used magnifier x1.25 (following my wife's advice).

Just take the "right" lens for the planned field.

[rtai]

The 1.3x crop is not an issue unless you shoot ultra wide.

[dpitt]

I had no issues adapting to the crop because it was basically my first Leica M. The crop was more of an advantage because it helps using only the center part of vintage lenses.

I found 50mm lenses a bit too tight. My Summicron 40C was a favorite standard lens. And I used my Elmarit 28 ASPH a lot.

When I added the M9, lens use shifted. The 50s worked much better. 28 felt too wide and 35 came back into play. If you have both FF and the M8, you end op with 2 sets of favorite focal lengths.

[tommonego@gmail.com]

I had no problem with the crop, mostly because I had been using APS-c cameras. Nikon (only 1 DX lens) to a Leica CL, picked up the M8 for infrared, but it goes beyond that. My current favorite lens is Zeiss 19mm, it works well with a 19zm profile in Photoshop. I received the camera with a 40 mm f1.4 cv lens, I prefer a 35, or even 25mm Canon ltm I have. I have done portraits with a 50mm Summicron, a 90 seems long, thinking of a 75. 

 

[Ernstk]

When shooting, there is no crop to adjust to.

You see what you see in the viewfinder.

Ernst

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Am 28.12.2023 um 16:33 schrieb Ernstk:

When shooting, there is no crop to adjust to.

You see what you see in the viewfinder.

Ernst

Very true, people get hung up over numbers. Having used a lot of different format cameras, APS-C digital to 8x10, the lens is what it is. What you see in the view finder or on ground glass is what counts.

[adan]

On 12/19/2023 at 4:53 PM, markc2 said:

With the m8 was it hard to get used to the crop?

Thanks

Mark

The M8 crop was not that hard to accomodate (the UV/IR filters required for quality color reproduction were a PITA, but that was not a crop issue).

But mostly because my existing lenses covered fields of view that simply "moved up one focal length" with the crop (or close enough).

My 15mm Voigtlander became a "20mm" field of view - my 21 became "28" - 28 became "38" - 75 became "100mm" - 90 became "120mm."

My 135 became an effective "180mm,"and there were not framelines for that - but I just imagined a box "three times the width and height of the RF patch" and that worked fairly well. Although focus was more problematic, since the 18x27 original image size had to be printed at a higher magnification than 24x36 for a given print size - and the Leica RF was never intended for "180mm" focusing precision.

I did acquire a 50mm Summicron for use on the M8, as an effective "70mm f/2.0." (don't forget that Leica 50mms are usually actually 52mm±, and 52 x 1.333x = 69.)

As mentioned, the built-in framelines were/are "scaled" to show the actual M8 field of view, for lenses 24-90mm.

Nevertheless, I really wanted my 21 f/2.8 to actually be a "21 f/2.8" super-wide again (the C/V 15mm was f/4.5) - so I preordered the M9 the instant the rumors began to solidify in August 2009. And received it a week after the official announcement. Never looked back.

[chris_livsey]

On 12/31/2023 at 6:43 PM, adan said:

I preordered the M9 the instant the rumors began to solidify in August 2009. And received it a week after the official announcement. Never looked back.

Curious here, did you not look back when the sensor developed the "corrosion" ?

Although a CCD the M9 does have subtly different colour output, the bayer filter was changed, as usual Leica will not comment.

[jaapv]

9 minutes ago, chris_livsey said:

Curious here, did you not look back when the sensor developed the "corrosion" ?

I didn't. i just sent it in and regarded it as maintenance - still use my M9 and M9M (the latter a lot)

[chris_livsey]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

I didn't. i just sent it in and regarded it as maintenance - still use my M9 and M9M (the latter a lot)

Fair enough, as I said just curious, not all owners had that attitude 😉

[adan]

"Never look back - something might be gaining on you!" 😁

More seriously, corrosion arrived on one of my three M9s (dry climate, faint hairline, completely invisible except in skies) only about a year before the M10 was introduced (2016-2017).

I swapped the two uncorroded bodies (one an M9M) for my first M10 ASAP, and kept the slightly-corroded one as backup until the "last call" for free sensor replacements, got it fixed, and traded it for a second M10.

Given that the M10 price at intro was $400 less than the new M9s had been ($6595 vs. $6995) - and the M10 had 2 stops more usable color ISO, an improved RF/VF, a quieter shutter, came in silver or black hard-chrome finish, and was more compact (the extra 6 Mpixels were just gravy), it was an easy and rapid transition, and I've never looked back at the M9 either.

The M9s did give me 7.5 years of excellent, continuous, award-winning service, 9/2009-2/2017.

And that is longer than I'd ever kept/used any other single camera before, except plain-prism Nikon Fs.**

But I fully anticipate the M10s are going to beat that record also.
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** A long and bloody search for the perfect balance of performance, reliability, lens systems, weight/size, viewing, avoiding (mostly) AF, and so on.

1970-74 - Multiple cameras in high school and college, sequentially or together. Canon FD, Pentax SP, Petri (rf), Leica IIIc, Nikon SP, Canon P (ltm), Yashica-D 6x6.
1974-77 - Nikon F (round 1), Yashica-D
1977-81 - Canon FD (round 2 - F-1)
1981-96 - Nikon (round 2) F + FM2/F3/FA (with a couple of brief ventures into Leica M as well, but I didn't "get" it then 😉  )
1996-99 - Contax SLR (ST, RX, Aria), Voigtlander Bessa-L (w/15mm)
1999-2001 - Contax G
2001-2004 - Leica M4-2, M6, Leicaflex SL
2004-2006 - Leica Digilux 2, Epson R-D1, Sony R1
2006-2009 - Leica M8
2009-2017 - Leica M9 (Canon 5DII/6D for long teles)
2017-present - Leica M10 (Canon 5DII - then Fuji XT-2 for long teles).

2014-present - toss in a variety of 6x6 film cameras, sequentially or together: Hasselblad SLR; Hasselblad Super-Wide-Angle, Super-Wide, SWC; Mamiya 6, Rolleiflex TLR (T, C, E, F, "Magic")

[markc2]

On 12/31/2023 at 11:43 AM, adan said:

My 135 became an effective "180mm,"and there were not framelines for that - but I just imagined a box "three times the width and height of the RF patch" and that worked fairly well. Although focus was more problematic, since the 18x27 original image size had to be printed at a higher magnification than 24x36 for a given print size - and the Leica RF was never intended for "180mm" focusing precision.

 

Got to try a 135 I just thought it was the RF patch. The M8 rangefinder worked perfectly with it. Very light lens considering it's a 135mm.