venividivici Posted November 20, 2007 Share #1 Posted November 20, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm half way of building up my M system right now. Have a 35mm and 75mm at the moment. A 21mm on the wide end would be a logical step to take. These will make 28, 45, 100 on the M8. Not bad at all. So, looking at what is offered right now: Leica Elmarit 21/2.8 Asph Zeiss Biogon T* 2,8/21 ZM Zeiss C Biogon T* 4,5/21 ZM and couple of old Leica 21s. Well, it is clear what is missing here. Yes, a Elmar 21/4! There use to be a 21/4 Super-Angulon-M, which I heard is very good. Since Leica have started on the lower end with its Summarit-M line, a Elmar 21mm will complete the set too. If there is such lens down the pipeline, I'll be the first place my order. Just imagine the compactness of a F4 21mm, and of course at the half of the Elmarit 21/2.8 Asph's price, please. I think it will be very popular. What do you guys think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sdai Posted November 20, 2007 Share #2 Posted November 20, 2007 This won't happen because Leica has a 16-18-21 tri-elmar ... the gap has been filled already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
venividivici Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted November 20, 2007 This won't happen because Leica has a 16-18-21 tri-elmar ... the gap has been filled already. You are quite right. However, the Elmar 21 that I proposed was mainly targeted on the price and compactness. The tri-elmar is a every different story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted November 20, 2007 Share #4 Posted November 20, 2007 This won't happen because Leica has a 16-18-21 tri-elmar ... the gap has been filled already. I don't agree. The WATE is a very expensive lens and one or more f4 prime lenses at 16, 18, 21 and 24mm would be a logical step for continuing the range of lower cost lenses started with the 28mm Elmarit and Summarits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 20, 2007 Share #5 Posted November 20, 2007 I would love an Elmar 21/4 (and I also own a WATE)! I am not a Zeiss lover (high contrast, 1/3 stops on the aperture, and the look doesn't appeal either, although this is secondary), and will probably end up with a CV21/4, but I would prefer a Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted November 20, 2007 Share #6 Posted November 20, 2007 Zeiss 21/2.8 ZM, 21/4.5 ZM and CV 21/4 are all very decent lenses, how much performance improvement are you expecting from such a Elmar 4/21? I suspect many folks looking at the slower aperture options are quite price sensitive and Leica could offer no advantage here. Just my .02. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 20, 2007 Share #7 Posted November 20, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Zeiss 21/2.8 ZM, 21/4.5 ZM and CV 21/4 are all very decent lenses, how much performance improvement are you expecting from such a Elmar 4/21? I suspect many folks looking at the slower aperture options are quite price sensitive and Leica could offer no advantage here. Just my .02. Agree ... too crowdy offer from competitors, too next to 21 2,8, WATE... don't expect they announce a "cheap" 21 f4 (that of course would be welcome by many) ... but let's hope for such a lens in the 14-18 range... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 20, 2007 Share #8 Posted November 20, 2007 What i miss is a small 21 like the CV Skopar below so an Elmar, Summarit or whatever 21/4 would be great for me provided it shows less vignetting than the CV though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_newell Posted November 20, 2007 Share #9 Posted November 20, 2007 The bang:buck with the CV is very high. The thing that would give me most pause, especially in light of Sean Reid's extensive comments, is the possibility of significant sample variation. I'd not be inclined to buy one by mail... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 20, 2007 Share #10 Posted November 20, 2007 Maybe I'm blessed, never have been in the past, but every M8 and all lenses I've bought recently, whether Leica or CV have been great. I have the CV 21 f/4 Skopar M-Mount and it is just prefect, especially for what it costs. Oh I bought it over the internet, sight unseen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 20, 2007 Share #11 Posted November 20, 2007 I know its flaws, but I'm still enchanted by the Pre-ASPH Elmarit 21 on the Leica. They're not badly priced right now either. What I really want is an 18 Summarit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted November 20, 2007 Share #12 Posted November 20, 2007 The 21 Elmarits (ASPH or not) are quite chunky though. The CV21/4 is gorgeous, and the size is perfect for travelling. I wish I could have brought one this past weekend in Vienna. A Leica 21/4 would have been perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 20, 2007 Share #13 Posted November 20, 2007 The 21 Elmarits (ASPH or not) are quite chunky though. The CV21/4 is gorgeous, and the size is perfect for travelling. I wish I could have brought one this past weekend in Vienna. A Leica 21/4 would have been perfect. Not sure I would trade my CV 21, even money, for a Leica f/4 21. This was shot last weekend @ Amicalola Falls with the CV 21. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I would look seriously at a 18 Summarit if it ever came to be. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I would look seriously at a 18 Summarit if it ever came to be. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/38517-elmar-21mm-f4-please-leica/?do=findComment&comment=407941'>More sharing options...
venividivici Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share #14 Posted November 20, 2007 The 21 Elmarits (ASPH or not) are quite chunky though. The CV21/4 is gorgeous, and the size is perfect for travelling. I wish I could have brought one this past weekend in Vienna. A Leica 21/4 would have been perfect. That's exactly what I mean. : ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordfanjpn Posted November 20, 2007 Share #15 Posted November 20, 2007 I'm looking at the CV 21/4P. Are those of you who have this lens using it with an external viewfinder? Since it is coupled, and considering size and weight, I'd like to use it as-is if possible. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 20, 2007 Share #16 Posted November 20, 2007 I'm looking at the CV 21/4P. Are those of you who have this lens using it with an external viewfinder? Since it is coupled, and considering size and weight, I'd like to use it as-is if possible. Bill I don't use a external finder. I just use the WHOLE viewfinder window. You have to move you eye around the viewfinder to see all of what it will cover. I even use the 1.25x magnifier with diopter lens attached and I can still see what it will capture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdrmd Posted November 21, 2007 Share #17 Posted November 21, 2007 Yes, the 21 F2.8 ASPH is bulky, and expensive, but it is worth it. It delivers. DR Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/38517-elmar-21mm-f4-please-leica/?do=findComment&comment=408020'>More sharing options...
fordfanjpn Posted November 21, 2007 Share #18 Posted November 21, 2007 I don't use a external finder. I just use the WHOLE viewfinder window. You have to move you eye around the viewfinder to see all of what it will cover.I even use the 1.25x magnifier with diopter lens attached and I can still see what it will capture. Thanks. That's what I wanted to know. Now I don't have any excuse not to go buy one! Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseelig Posted November 21, 2007 Share #19 Posted November 21, 2007 I had the zeiss 21 mm f2.8 a great lens better then the 21 elmarit I never had the aspherical so that I cannot talk about that but the zeiss has great ergonomics . I hated the 21 with the big piece of glass the zeiss has a 46 filter just nice handling and sharp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted November 21, 2007 Share #20 Posted November 21, 2007 Thanks. That's what I wanted to know. Now I don't have any excuse not to go buy one! Bill If you go for one opinion yes .... but the whole finder for a 21mm did not work at all for me and was the reason i sold the 21mm asph..... i hope you at least do not wear glasses .... because if you do.... even a 24mm, using the whole viewfinder, is not a very comfortable and precize combo ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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