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Hi all, i'm thinking to buy the Q3 to upgrade from my beloved Q typ116.

I wasn't interrested by the Q2 due to it's high isos bad performance compared to the Q.

So i'm wondering if someone here did a side by side comparison between the Q1 and Q3, same photo at 6400, 12800 isos and more? And then pushed by 2 IL in Lightroom to see if the banding is controlled.

If you made or can make this comparison, could you please show the result in images please?

 

Of course i know there are other benefits in the Q3, AF, resolution and tilt screen, but here i'm wondering about the sensor limits in bad light conditions :)

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52 minutes ago, IP54 said:

Hi all, i'm thinking to buy the Q3 to upgrade from my beloved Q typ116.

I wasn't interrested by the Q2 due to it's high isos bad performance compared to the Q.

So i'm wondering if someone here did a side by side comparison between the Q1 and Q3, same photo at 6400, 12800 isos and more? And then pushed by 2 IL in Lightroom to see if the banding is controlled.

If you made or can make this comparison, could you please show the result in images please?

 

Of course i know there are other benefits in the Q3, AF, resolution and tilt screen, but here i'm wondering about the sensor limits in bad light conditions :)

As far as I know, Q2 has a similar high ISO (above ISO 800) performance as Q. Because of Q2's higher resolution, it is essential to compare at the same output size and not at the pixel level. 

How did you come to the conclusion that Q2 is worse at high ISO?

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1 hour ago, SrMi said:

As far as I know, Q2 has a similar high ISO (above ISO 800) performance as Q. Because of Q2's higher resolution, it is essential to compare at the same output size and not at the pixel level. 

How did you come to the conclusion that Q2 is worse at high ISO?

Agreed. The OP's statement is contrary to the test reviews I've read.

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4 hours ago, SrMi said:

How did you come to the conclusion that Q2 is worse at high ISO?

Honnestly it's perhaps a bad memory from the Q2 release :)

 

Now my interrest is on the new Q3 vs my Q typ116, regarding the high iso noise and banding, if someone did a test?

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Just a quick test with a night picture from my daily commute today, ISO 6400 @1/40 f2.0:

DNG as imported in Lightroom:

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Exposure pushed 2 stops:

 

 

 

 

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AI denoise and exposed to my liking:

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Another version with more details in the shadows:

 

I can't tell if these pictures hold any value for the comparison wanted? I could provide more if I new better, what kind of shots are best for these kind of tests :)

 

 

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Hi Sparkassenkunde ;)

As we discussed in private, i already saw banding on Q3 photos, especially on a 6400 isos night shot with pushed shadows.

So i wondered if someone compared Q vs Q3 in this situation, to check if Q3 handles better the banding that the original Q?

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Here is the picture we discussed privately before. It is a ISO 6400, 1/40s, f4.0 shot pushed in Lightroom by 2 stops. It is my only picture so far with banding. All my other pictures with ISO6400 show no banding - even if pushed by up to 5 stops. So I can't say anything about the cause in this case:

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13 hours ago, IP54 said:

Hi all, i'm thinking to buy the Q3 to upgrade from my beloved Q typ116.

I wasn't interrested by the Q2 due to it's high isos bad performance compared to the Q.

So i'm wondering if someone here did a side by side comparison between the Q1 and Q3, same photo at 6400, 12800 isos and more? And then pushed by 2 IL in Lightroom to see if the banding is controlled.

If you made or can make this comparison, could you please show the result in images please?

 

Of course i know there are other benefits in the Q3, AF, resolution and tilt screen, but here i'm wondering about the sensor limits in bad light conditions :)

The Q3 sensor is the best sensor I ever used in my life in low light. There is no issues or banding at all. The Q and Q2 weren’t cutting edge sensor wise when they came out. The Q3 is definitely amazing. If you want even better image quality shoot in M-DNG and you’ll get even better high iso performance. That’s what I use at night.

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5 hours ago, Sparkassenkunde said:

Here is the picture we discussed privately before. It is a ISO 6400, 1/40s, f4.0 shot pushed in Lightroom by 2 stops. It is my only picture so far with banding. All my other pictures with ISO6400 show no banding - even if pushed by up to 5 stops. So I can't say anything about the cause in this case:

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Just a wild thought... could it have something to do with the sensor reacting strangely to the projected lights? A bit like the banding you can sometimes get in viewfinders from LED light sources... 

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That might be an explanation - but I unfortunately can’t make more tests, as the illumination has only been installed until last weekend - I would have to wait until next year. I will do some more tests in the coming weeks and try if the banding occurs again. So far I am more than happy with the real life use of the Q3. The example shown above was accidentally shot with the mentioned parameters, all the other pictures I took that evening were fine.

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it seems we are not alone observing this random banding, i just saw this in the Q3 facebook group

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Sorry to say, but there are too many people out there with too deep pockets but no clue (and the lack of will to learn) and totally unreasonable expectations. This combined with the possibility to publish funny statements or ridiculous comparison and findings on the spot is a deep well for false and nonsense information. 

I honestly perceive this as very tiresome.  

 

I am not addressing anyone in this thread, it is just  a general statement :)

 

 

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9 hours ago, Daniel C.1975 said:

Sorry to say, but there are too many people out there with too deep pockets but no clue (and the lack of will to learn) and totally unreasonable expectations. This combined with the possibility to publish funny statements or ridiculous comparison and findings on the spot is a deep well for false and nonsense information. 

I honestly perceive this as very tiresome.  

 

I am not addressing anyone in this thread, it is just  a general statement :)

 

 

So, so true!!!

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Well, back to my question.

I've just have the opportunity to test the Q3 against the original Q, 

this test give the answer, 6400 isos, +2 IL,  + 50% shadows, Q3 on left, Q on the right:

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there is chroma noise, but no banding in the Q3 file in this situation.

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same, +3IL:

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I've had my Q3 since late June. I haven't noticed any banding at high ISOs and/or night shots, even with expansive skies or large areas of similar tone. I don't have a Q to compare. But I'll provide a high ISO example that is also on my Q3 gallery.

Here is the overall image shot at dusk at ISO 12,500. Look at my next post to see detail at 100% as you can't see the noise or artifacts accurately with this one (scaled down for the forum posting requirements)

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