PG Black nickel Posted October 5, 2023 Share #1  Posted October 5, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) In my collection I have 2 Leica IIDs, I had never noticed that their Locking plate in the bottomplate was different. The older one has a standard Locking plate, the more recent one has a Locking plate without hook. Has anyone seen this type of locking plate before? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/382679-leica-ii-d-strange-locking-plate/?do=findComment&comment=4870102'>More sharing options...
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jerzy Posted October 5, 2023 Share #2  Posted October 5, 2023 here are few variants of locking part, left is the oldest. It will not open FILCA. The second to the left will, there were few subvariants of this one. Your camera shall have bottom cover with lock that opens the casette, so either someone took older bottom plate, or changed the lock only. Does it have on the other side bar or full circle? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/382679-leica-ii-d-strange-locking-plate/?do=findComment&comment=4870119'>More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2023 Share #3 Â Posted October 5, 2023 My II (734xx) also has the oldest version of the locking part as shown in Jerzy's picture on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuliobigazzi Posted October 5, 2023 Share #4  Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) Some II models may in fact be repurposed IC bodies. This may explain the older type of catch Edited October 5, 2023 by Giuliobigazzi Edit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share #5  Posted October 5, 2023 The serial number is 72715 and was delivered in Paris on 3 February 1932...I don't think it's an upgraded 1C. Giulio, when I wanted to check on your Leica II prototype which has a standard closure, I looked at the other cameras on sale and on the IC calf leather you find the same system and it seems that it is to be able to put the C or D cassettes! As stated in the attached text.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/382679-leica-ii-d-strange-locking-plate/?do=findComment&comment=4870281'>More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share #6 Â Posted October 5, 2023 Jerzy, on the 2 Leica the closure is the same, it's a full circle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuliobigazzi Posted October 5, 2023 Share #7  Posted October 5, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Both your cameras were delivered to Tiranty, 72489 on 2.2.32 with code name Lydup then corrected to Lykup. Lydup is a transitional code that appears on 1.2.32 and a version subsequently corrected to lykup on 2.2.32. Camera 72715 delivered on 3.2.32, as Lykup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted October 5, 2023 Share #8 Â Posted October 5, 2023 I think I have read that when the Leitz Agfa cassette came out the Filca opening base was discontinued, but soon put back as people wanted it reinstated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted October 5, 2023 Share #9 Â Posted October 5, 2023 Thx for clarification, I was wrong in my assumption, it is not the oldest one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted October 5, 2023 Share #10  Posted October 5, 2023   20 minutes ago, Pyrogallol said: I think I have read that when the Leitz Agfa cassette came out the Filca opening base was discontinued, but soon put back as people wanted it reinstated. I found this in the Leica Archive some time ago. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Member Andreas G kindly translated it for me as follows. Cassette.pdf This translation is somewhat cryptic, but it seems it had been the intention to supply the FILCA D (Agfa-Leitz cassette), but this plan did not work and the FILCA B remained the most commonly used reloadable cassette for many years. FILCA C was around for a very short period, but it too quickly disappeared. Thankfully, Dr Nagel and Kodak did away with all of this for most people. There is a story to be written about all of this, not only covering Leica's cassette endeavours, but also the activities of Agfa, Kodak and others. William  Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Member Andreas G kindly translated it for me as follows. Cassette.pdf This translation is somewhat cryptic, but it seems it had been the intention to supply the FILCA D (Agfa-Leitz cassette), but this plan did not work and the FILCA B remained the most commonly used reloadable cassette for many years. FILCA C was around for a very short period, but it too quickly disappeared. Thankfully, Dr Nagel and Kodak did away with all of this for most people. There is a story to be written about all of this, not only covering Leica's cassette endeavours, but also the activities of Agfa, Kodak and others. William  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/382679-leica-ii-d-strange-locking-plate/?do=findComment&comment=4870374'>More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted October 5, 2023 Share #11 Â Posted October 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Pyrogallol said: I think I have read that when the Leitz Agfa cassette came out the Filca opening base was discontinued, but soon put back as people wanted it reinstated. Yes - I understood that when the Leica II was introduced it was supplied with 2 Agfa-Leitz cassettes (with film), and a baseplate that didn't work with FILCA. The replacement parts to work with FILCA were quickly popular, so the design reverted. Possibly issues with Agfa-Leitz cooperation also were a factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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