M11-D?

[swatch]

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take M11D for an evening walk today and without LCD screen and arrow pad allow me to hold it the previous way I hold a film M camera i.e. M4-2 ( solid holding the camera without the need to put Thumbs support in hotshoe ) I do enjoy this experience with D version of digital M.

 

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12 minutes ago, swatch said:

take M11D for an evening walk today and without LCD screen and arrow pad allow me to hold it the previous way I hold a film M camera i.e. M4-2 ( solid holding the camera without the need to put Thumbs support in hotshoe ) I do enjoy this experience with D version of digital M.

 

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It looks great!

[fenykepesz]

a miracle happened today, my new 'D' camera has finally arrived !  i had to pick it up at our LeicaBoutique, after a 2y8m long odyssey on our local m11d waiting list !  what a jewel, all the buttons at the right place, not too many, not too few, just perfect for my needs !  its surface is smooth and still grippy, very pleasant to work with.  the box is lighter, its bottom doesn't sound hollow anymore, no plate to lose !  PTP presents both drives, via a simple USB cable, as Internal memory and as SD-Card, very convenient.  firmware is 2.1.2.  everything makes sense, every single detail !  i can't comment on FOTOS, i don't use it.

it's only that darn thumb rest faux advance lever that Leica forgot to include in its newest 'D' version.  in fact i will come up in the coming 2-3 weeks with a new folding thumb rest design to snap-on onto the m11d's right side top without touching the hot shoe.  stay tuned...

i anyway would like to propose to Leica the thumb rest lever to become a trademark for the M series, optional perhaps, detachable as a third element within that shutter turret.  the M7 also features a triple function turret, for shutter, power and film advance lever, so it is doable, right ?  once i took my m10d's shutter button apart a bit, and while it surely looked sophisticated inside i imagine it will be an easy feast for Leica engineers to add that third element, the faux lever, to the m11d (or m12d) shutter turret.  again, it should be optional, removable or addable according the owner's taste, courage & need.

anyway, here we go with a very early test shot at home, no lens correction sharpening denoising whatsoever applied to the RAW DNG file before the c2g conversion to b&w, followed by some cropping and contrast changes.  it's not 'perfect' at all, and i definitely will need to tune a bit my c2g settings to account for the higher pixel count that come with the m11d.

Edited September 27, 2024 by fenykepesz

[costa43]

1 hour ago, fenykepesz said:

a miracle happened today, my new 'D' camera has finally arrived !  i had to pick it up at our LeicaBoutique, after a 2y8m long odyssey on our local m11d waiting list !  what a jewel, all the buttons at the right place, not too many, not too few, just perfect for my needs !  its surface is smooth and still grippy, very pleasant to work with.  the box is lighter, its bottom doesn't sound hollow anymore, no plate to lose !  PTP presents both drives, via a simple USB cable, as Internal memory and as SD-Card, very convenient.  firmware is 2.1.2.  everything makes sense, every single detail !  i can't comment on FOTOS, i don't use it.

it's only that darn thumb rest faux advance lever that Leica forgot to include in its newest 'D' version.  in fact i will come up in the coming 2-3 weeks with a new folding thumb rest design to snap-on onto the m11d's right side top without touching the hot shoe.  stay tuned...

i anyway would like to propose to Leica the thumb rest lever to become a trademark for the M series, optional perhaps, detachable as a third element within that shutter turret.  the M7 also features a triple function turret, for shutter, power and film advance lever, so it is doable, right ?  once i took my m10d's shutter button apart a bit, and while it surely looked sophisticated inside i imagine it will be an easy feast for Leica engineers to add that third element, the faux lever, to the m11d (or m12d) shutter turret.  again, it should be optional, removable or addable according the owner's taste, courage & need.

anyway, here we go with a very early test shot at home, no lens correction sharpening denoising whatsoever applied to the RAW DNG file before the c2g conversion to b&w, followed by some cropping and contrast changes.  it's not 'perfect' at all, and i definitely will need to tune a bit my c2g settings to account for the higher pixel count that come with the m11d.

Congratulations, happy to hear you have finally got your hands on one! 

[ymc226]

1 hour ago, fenykepesz said:

a miracle happened today, my new 'D' camera has finally arrived !  i had to pick it up at our LeicaBoutique, after a 2y8m long odyssey on our local m11d waiting list !  what a jewel, all the buttons at the right place, not too many, not too few, just perfect for my needs !  its surface is smooth and still grippy, very pleasant to work with.  the box is lighter, its bottom doesn't sound hollow anymore, no plate to lose !  PTP presents both drives, via a simple USB cable, as Internal memory and as SD-Card, very convenient.  firmware is 2.1.2.  everything makes sense, every single detail !  i can't comment on FOTOS, i don't use it.

it's only that darn thumb rest faux advance lever that Leica forgot to include in its newest 'D' version.  in fact i will come up in the coming 2-3 weeks with a new folding thumb rest design to snap-on onto the m11d's right side top without touching the hot shoe.  stay tuned...

i anyway would like to propose to Leica the thumb rest lever to become a trademark for the M series, optional perhaps, detachable as a third element within that shutter turret.  the M7 also features a triple function turret, for shutter, power and film advance lever, so it is doable, right ?  once i took my m10d's shutter button apart a bit, and while it surely looked sophisticated inside i imagine it will be an easy feast for Leica engineers to add that third element, the faux lever, to the m11d (or m12d) shutter turret.  again, it should be optional, removable or addable according the owner's taste, courage & need.

anyway, here we go with a very early test shot at home, no lens correction sharpening denoising whatsoever applied to the RAW DNG file before the c2g conversion to b&w, followed by some cropping and contrast changes.  it's not 'perfect' at all, and i definitely will need to tune a bit my c2g settings to account for the higher pixel count that come with the m11d.

Congratulations as I know it was slow going after many were apparently available elsewhere worldwide.  I don't like the Thumbs up designs as it prevents use of the hot shoe but have been very satisfied with the Thumbie (I use it on all my digital Ms).  Arte di Mano just received a M11 D in order to design a half case.  It should take 8-12 weeks to receive it.  

[hdmesa]

1 hour ago, fenykepesz said:

a miracle happened today, my new 'D' camera has finally arrived !  i had to pick it up at our LeicaBoutique, after a 2y8m long odyssey on our local m11d waiting list !  what a jewel, all the buttons at the right place, not too many, not too few, just perfect for my needs !  its surface is smooth and still grippy, very pleasant to work with.  the box is lighter, its bottom doesn't sound hollow anymore, no plate to lose !  PTP presents both drives, via a simple USB cable, as Internal memory and as SD-Card, very convenient.  firmware is 2.1.2.  everything makes sense, every single detail !  i can't comment on FOTOS, i don't use it.

it's only that darn thumb rest faux advance lever that Leica forgot to include in its newest 'D' version.  in fact i will come up in the coming 2-3 weeks with a new folding thumb rest design to snap-on onto the m11d's right side top without touching the hot shoe.  stay tuned...

i anyway would like to propose to Leica the thumb rest lever to become a trademark for the M series, optional perhaps, detachable as a third element within that shutter turret.  the M7 also features a triple function turret, for shutter, power and film advance lever, so it is doable, right ?  once i took my m10d's shutter button apart a bit, and while it surely looked sophisticated inside i imagine it will be an easy feast for Leica engineers to add that third element, the faux lever, to the m11d (or m12d) shutter turret.  again, it should be optional, removable or addable according the owner's taste, courage & need.

anyway, here we go with a very early test shot at home, no lens correction sharpening denoising whatsoever applied to the RAW DNG file before the c2g conversion to b&w, followed by some cropping and contrast changes.  it's not 'perfect' at all, and i definitely will need to tune a bit my c2g settings to account for the higher pixel count that come with the m11d.

Congrats! Mine arrived today as well. Rangefinder patch alignment at infinity was a hair short of perfect at the lens hard stop, but I adjusted it myself.

Loving it so far.

[hdmesa]

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On 9/25/2024 at 5:48 AM, swatch said:

Using the USB-A to USB-C cable that come with M11D, it is possible to download files from M11D to MacBook using Image Capture software included in MacBook.

I have just tried successfully. USB-C connect to M11D and USB-A connect to MacBook ( may need adapter if MacBook doesn’t has USB-A port ).

If your Mac has USB-C, get a USB-C to USB-C data cable.

[swatch]

On 9/27/2024 at 12:33 PM, hdmesa said:

If your Mac has USB-C, get a USB-C to USB-C data cable.

Thanks for the advice from hdmesa, usb-c to usb-c is indeed a convenient choice.

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So here I am being set back some serious amount of money – most expensive Leica gear acquisition since the Noctiliux 0.95 around 10 yrs ago – and of course very interested in comparing the M10-R (2021) with the M11-D.

My very first impression after some comparison shots (identical settings, RAW, fixed WB, ISO 200) and some pixel peeping in LR is, that from a sensor point of view the M10-R handles the job as excellent as the M11. Don't get me wrong here I’m not disappointed I was very sure that it would come out like this.

My motivation for the M11-D purchase was to get again the "D feeling" like with the M10-D but with the M10-R sensor capabilities or even better. For me, it simply means that the M10-R might not stay with me. But before I decide that, I'm going to compare a little more in detail. 😎

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[Derbyshire Man]

As you say, 40 vs 60, especially at a low ISO is going to be hard to spot. Be interesting though if you want to crop and at higher ISO to see the comparison. 
 

I’m loving the M11D and the way it makes you work. Then again, I’m still loving the M11P and M11M and I’d not want to swap those currently. 
 

I favour two bodies with a split of lenses and I’m enjoying having the ability to decide whether that involves a specialist monochrome camera or not. 
 

But then again the investment is significant to put it mildly!

[hdmesa]

11 hours ago, RF’sDelight said:

So here I am being set back some serious amount of money – most expensive Leica gear acquisition since the Noctiliux 0.95 around 10 yrs ago – and of course very interested in comparing the M10-R (2021) with the M11-D.

My very first impression after some comparison shots (identical settings, RAW, fixed WB, ISO 200) and some pixel peeping in LR is, that from a sensor point of view the M10-R handles the job as excellent as the M11. Don't get me wrong here I’m not disappointed I was very sure that it would come out like this.

My motivation for the M11-D purchase was to get again the "D feeling" like with the M10-D but with the M10-R sensor capabilities or even better. For me, it simply means that the M10-R might not stay with me. But before I decide that, I'm going to compare a little more in detail. 😎

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Better to compare both at their native base ISO rather than ISO 200 unless you’re trying to see fewer differences intentionally. 

Regardless of the sensor performance difference, I really like the color signature of the M10-R sensor when used with the default profile in Capture One. 

[RF’sDelight]

Am 29.9.2024 um 19:26 schrieb Derbyshire Man:

As you say, 40 vs 60, especially at a low ISO is going to be hard to spot. Be interesting though if you want to crop and at higher ISO to see the comparison. 
 

I’m loving the M11D and the way it makes you work. Then again, I’m still loving the M11P and M11M and I’d not want to swap those currently. 
 

I favour two bodies with a split of lenses and I’m enjoying having the ability to decide whether that involves a specialist monochrome camera or not. 
 

But then again the investment is significant to put it mildly!

Yes, especially the comparison of the higher ISO performances will be my next "experimental setup".

I take a very similar view of the other points. The restriction to one camera model is difficult despite all the joy of D-photography. And I don't even want to talk about the investments. 🤪

 

Am 30.9.2024 um 06:07 schrieb hdmesa:

Better to compare both at their native base ISO rather than ISO 200 unless you’re trying to see fewer differences intentionally. 

To have a technical way of comparison this would be of course the right thing to do but I’m an aiming for a comparison that matches more my way of taking photographs. 

[swatch]

Exposure bracketing is the option I take when using film camera for scenery with contrasting light.  Today I apply this method with screenless M11D.  As M11D use the whole sensor to read light, even with centre weighted metering, I find it more sensitive or require less exposure adjustment than metering from shutter blade in other M camera.

 

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4 hours ago, RF’sDelight said:

Yes, especially the comparison of the higher ISO performances will be my next "experimental setup".

I take a very similar view of the other points. The restriction to one camera model is difficult despite all the joy of D-photography. And I don't even want to talk about the investments. 🤪

 

To have a technical way of comparison this would be of course the right thing to do but I’m an aiming for a comparison that matches more my way of taking photographs. 

Why would your method of using an M11 be to shoot it at ISO 200? Wouldn't you use both at base ISO provided light allows? Bright light is normal to shoot at base ISO. Low light default ISO would be much higher than 200. Sorry, I’m just struggling to see how shooting at ISO 200 matches how you shoot.

Edited October 1, 2024 by hdmesa

[RobW0]

I received my M11-D today. Viewfinder seems accurate. I also had to do a reset to get in to 5gz wifi.  I like the look and feel of the camera sofar and look forward to using it more. 

First picture was of one of my wifes garden gnomes. 

75 APO f/2 basically straight out of camera converted to jpg in C1 mobile. 

 

     

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Am 1.10.2024 um 16:17 schrieb hdmesa:

Why would your method of using an M11 be to shoot it at ISO 200? Wouldn't you use both at base ISO provided light allows? Bright light is normal to shoot at base ISO. Low light default ISO would be much higher than 200. Sorry, I’m just struggling to see how shooting at ISO 200 matches how you shoot.

I agree with you that base ISO would be the preferred ISO if the lighting conditions are sufficient. But in my "personal triangle" of aperture, shutter speed and ISO (without flash) I need to get above base ISO most of the time to get a faster shutter speed as I prefer it. Most of the time it's 400 and above. But let's not get too serious. It was a very first comparison, nothing more.

[hjddd]

I have both M-D 262 and M11-D， I truely can not understand why leica cancel the inter click stops of ISO on the back iso dial…… on M-D 262， we have 1/3 stop between ISOs  ， but on M11-D， we can only get 200 -400-800…… we have to say it is a cost down ，and metallic iso dial becomes plastic……

 

 

[hdmesa]

22 hours ago, hjddd said:

I have both M-D 262 and M11-D， I truely can not understand why leica cancel the inter click stops of ISO on the back iso dial…… on M-D 262， we have 1/3 stop between ISOs  ， but on M11-D， we can only get 200 -400-800…… we have to say it is a cost down ，and metallic iso dial becomes plastic……

The M11-D ISO dial is metal.

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