nicci78 Posted September 5, 2023 Share #1 Posted September 5, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) What if the best competitor of Q3 is A7C II and not the A7RC ? With interchangeable lens we won't need to rely on cropping anymore. For those using the Q3 in 36MP binned mode, what's the point anymore if you can just get a native 33MP camera ? The cost saving can buy you more or better lenses than with A7CR 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JTLeica Posted September 5, 2023 Share #2 Posted September 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, nicci78 said: What if the best competitor of Q3 is A7C II and not the A7RC ? With interchangeable lens we won't need to rely on cropping anymore. For those using the Q3 in 36MP binned mode, what's the point anymore if you can just get a native 33MP camera ? The cost saving can buy you more or better lenses than with A7CR Because when you want a Leica Q3, you absolutely dont want a Sony interchangeable lens camera. Almost all of the people buying a Q3, will have another system too. I have owned my fair share of systems, the Sony being my least favourite in terms of usability and ergonomics. If you want a Q3, get nothing but Q3, if you want a system, well, then the A7C cameras are a nice option, especially with the Sigma Contemporary lenses. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted September 5, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) what I really want is a QL with interchangeable lens in a compact body with a bunch of small SL lenses. Leica give us neither, but Sony does. That's the point of the comparison. The small size, the über fast AF motor and high IQ of Sony newest lenses but into shame Leica SL line up. Leica has to revamp the whole SL line up already to catch on. We won't really need in 10 years a Q6 with 200MP to crop into oblivion, just a QL will be fine. With a new breed of small but still excellent SL lenses Edited September 5, 2023 by nicci78 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mholeica Posted September 5, 2023 Share #4 Posted September 5, 2023 For me, the Q3 is the best balance between size/portability and image quality. Obviously it comes at a great cost but for those who want to pay for it then I think it is worth it. I came from Sony A7iv, it was great but the images that come from the Q3 is on another level, it is not just megapixel you have to compare, you have to also take into consideration Leica glass of the Q3, I have so many more keepers with Q3 compared to Sony. I also got bothered by carrying so many lenses with me. With the Q3 I mainly shoot at 28 and 35 cropped. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 5, 2023 Share #5 Posted September 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, nicci78 said: what I really want is a QL with interchangeable lens in a compact body with a bunch of small SL lenses. Leica give us neither, but Sony does. That's the point of the comparison. The small size, the über fast AF motor and high IQ of Sony newest lenses but into shame Leica SL line up. Leica has to revamp the whole SL line up already to catch on. We won't really need in 10 years a Q6 with 200MP to crop into oblivion, just a QL will be fine. With a new breed of small but still excellent SL lenses You are missing the concept. If you want an interchangeable lens camera, the Q series is simply not designed for you. The normal way to go about buying a camera is to make a list of you wishes and buy the one that fits them best, not buy a camera for emotional reasons or status or whatever and complain afterwards that it must be changed. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voxen Posted September 5, 2023 Share #6 Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, nicci78 said: what I really want is a QL with interchangeable lens in a compact body with a bunch of small SL lenses. Leica give us neither, but Sony does. That's the point of the comparison. The small size, the über fast AF motor and high IQ of Sony newest lenses but into shame Leica SL line up. Leica has to revamp the whole SL line up already to catch on. We won't really need in 10 years a Q6 with 200MP to crop into oblivion, just a QL will be fine. With a new breed of small but still excellent SL lenses Buy a Sony then, what the point of asking if you already figured out the best pick for you. Edited September 5, 2023 by Voxen 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTLeica Posted September 5, 2023 Share #7 Posted September 5, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 minutes ago, nicci78 said: what I really want is a QL with interchangeable lens in a compact body with a bunch of small SL lenses. Leica give us neither, but Sony does. That's the point of the comparison. The small size, the über fast AF motor and high IQ of Sony newest lenses but into shame Leica SL line up. Leica has to revamp the whole SL line up already to catch on. We won't really need in 10 years a Q6 with 200MP to crop into oblivion, just a QL will be fine. With a new breed of small but still excellent SL lenses Cant ever be a QL camera, it cannot exist. If you want a small system, forget the Q, Leica apart from M lenses are not known for small optical designs, quite the opposite. SL lenses are huge no compromise lenses. So there is zero chance they release a small interchangeable lens system. Also, its not possible within the Leica vision, the Q is so small because the lens can be designed with the exit pupil so close to the sensor, and the optical imperfections, perfectly (almost) corrected within software... This cant really happy with an interchangeable lens system. However, please look into the Sigma contemporary lenses alongside an A7CR / CII for a world class kit. I have two Sigma DG DN Contemporary lenses and they are absolutely sensational. They are tiny too and autofocus if that matters. All F2 or 2.8, maybe one or two F4... Optically superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 5, 2023 Share #8 Posted September 5, 2023 The hypothetical QL was the CL We all know what happened to that system. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted September 5, 2023 Share #9 Posted September 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, mholeica said: it is not just megapixel you have to compare, you have to also take into consideration Leica glass of the Q3, I have so many more keepers with Q3 compared to Sony. But you can adapt Leica M or R glass to your Sony, and with autofocus too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 5, 2023 Share #10 Posted September 5, 2023 Autofocus adapters don't work that well with FLE lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted September 5, 2023 Share #11 Posted September 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, jaapv said: The hypothetical QL was the CL We all know what happened to that system. And that is the point of the OP, that Leica is not offering something more geared toward portability anymore, but the competition is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted September 5, 2023 Share #12 Posted September 5, 2023 Just now, jaapv said: Autofocus adapters don't work that well with FLE lenses. Not all lenses are FLE, so it also depends on what M mount lenses you have. My only FLE lens is the Summilux 50, and even with that one I got some good results when I had a Sony. Don't forget you can also use native Voigtlander lenses optimized for Sony's sensor stack (but lose the AF capability) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 5, 2023 Share #13 Posted September 5, 2023 True.. But no lens can change that user interface... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 5, 2023 Share #14 Posted September 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: And that is the point of the OP, that Leica is not offering something more geared toward portability anymore, but the competition is. Don't ask me the rationale for that decision - it looks like a classic Leica blunder like attempting to terminate the M series (which happily was reversed) but we will probably never know the real reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted September 5, 2023 Share #15 Posted September 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, jaapv said: True.. But no lens can change that user interface... Sony's UI have come a long way and they are ok now, at the same level of Panasonic and the rest of the industry. Using Capture One or Photoshop is WAY less intuitive than using a Sony camera. And once you set up your favorites in the menu (it takes 10 minutes), you don't need to dive in anymore Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/381650-q3-binned-at-36mp-vs-a7c-ii/?do=findComment&comment=4850763'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 5, 2023 Share #16 Posted September 5, 2023 I don't like Panasonic (although I can tolerate it when setup properly). I can never remember which button does what. And Sony still is worse. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted September 5, 2023 Share #17 Posted September 5, 2023 I never remember what the two SL2 buttons near the lens mount do, because I can’t reach them comfortably and therefore I rarely use them 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted September 5, 2023 Share #18 Posted September 5, 2023 Sony, with the introduction of the new A7c series is showing that state of the art technology can be put into a small body. Small body and lens is Leica territory, but not technology. The Sony offering could very well be what all the reviewers are going to compare the Q series to and Sony will undoubtably come out on top in many ways. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 5, 2023 Share #19 Posted September 5, 2023 In that case they would be comparing pretty stupidly not knowing the difference between an apple and an orange. They might as well be comparing it to an iPhone. Leica has abandoned Barnack’s small body-great results philosophy with the CL and the Q is a different beast altogether. Basically the best point and shoot on the market and not particularly small for a fixed lens compact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted September 5, 2023 Share #20 Posted September 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, jaapv said: In that case they would be comparing pretty stupidly not knowing the difference between an apple and an orange. They might as well be comparing it to an iPhone. Leica has abandoned Barnack’s small body-great results philosophy with the CL and the Q is a different beast alltogether. Basically the best point and shoot on the market. They both take pictures. We're not talking about a toaster vs. camera. Let's not parse this into trivial matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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