Leica M6 2022 frame lines size set for 2m?

[trisberg]

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Reading the tech specs for the new Leica M6 2022 it seems that the frame lines size are set for 2m instead of the 1m or close focus distance that I think the original M6 was set for. Can someone confirm this? I know that the original M6 shows narrower 50mm frame line compared to an older M4-2, so I'm wondering how the new M6 from 2022 compares.

"The size of the bright-line frame matches the distance:
– at 2 m: the exact sensor size of approx. 23.9 x 35.8 mm
– at infinity: (depending on focal length) approx. 7.3% (28 mm) to 18% (135 mm)
– less than 2 m: less than film size"

-Thomas

 

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[a.noctilux]

7 hours ago, trisberg said:

– at 2 m: the exact sensor size of approx. 23.9 x 35.8 mm

Sorry I don't have answer,

just to point out that for M6, the "sensor size" is 24mm x 36mm and nothing approching can be correct all the time,

another "size" wise is the image size (recorded on film) can depend on the lens in use, bigger with short focal length symetric style like Super-Angulon 21mm for example.

Don't forget than framelines in Leica M are just rough guide for framing, and experiences do the rest.

 

 

[Anbaric]

Whoever wrote that has just done a careless copy/paste of the specs from one of the digital Ms, so we can't rely on it. Whether 2m is actually the correct distance is another matter.

[69xchange]

The specs also says the viewfinder magnification is 0.73 instead of 0.72

[trisberg]

Thanks everybody for chiming in. I did suspect that this was cut-n-paste specs. I don't think the M6 has a sensor - "at 2 m: the exact sensor size of approx. 23.9 x 35.8 mm".

Would be cool if someone with thew new M6 could do a quick check against an M with a known frame line configuration.

-Thomas

[Huss]

I guess the question I have is why does this matter?  The framing with an RF camera is always approximate.

If I had the choice between an old M6, and a new one, 100% of the time I would go with the new one.  Just check to make sure it doesn't scratch film.

Everything about the new one is better  - meter, brass construction, paint finish, latest VF and RF optics, parts availability etc

[trisberg]

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I just like the more generous frame lines in the M10 and M4-2 and earlier and was curious if they went back to setting them for 2m in the new M6 which the specs indicate. It's not a deal breaker, just a personal preference, especially for the 50mm frame.

-Thomas

[UliWer]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Anbaric:

Whoever wrote that has just done a careless copy/paste of the specs from one of the digital Ms, so we can't rely on it. Whether 2m is actually the correct distance is another matter.

Yes. Not the first time when description for certain Leica items where just copied from completely different ones.

I am sure the new "M6" is just a variant of the MP - it would be nuts to produce certain components with subtle differences when the the output is as low as for analog M bodies.

The notes for the MP are as following: 

Correlation between viewfinder and film images At the shortest possible distance setting for each focal length, the bright line frame size corresponds to an image size of approx. 23 x 35 mm. When set to infinity, depending on the focal length between 9% (28mm) and 23% (135 mm) more is captured by the film than is shown in the corresponding bright line frame. Magnification 0.72x (for all lenses).

This description must also be read with a grain of salt: the "shortest possible distance setting" for a 90mm Apo-Summicron is 1m, for a 90mm Makro-Elmar it's 0.8m. The frames cannot correspond to the same size at 0.8 and 1m - even though the difference is very small.

So who really wants to find out has to test it - which is a rather hard job to do with film. Who does not want to take up this job should be content with the fact that the framelines give a more or less accurate view of what is actually captured on film or on a digital sensor.

vor 39 Minuten schrieb trisberg:

I just like the more generous frame lines in the M10 and M4-2 and earlier

Well - the calibration of the frames of the M4 -2 certainly differed from the M10. For the M10 it is true that the framelines are exact at a distance of 2m. I actually tested it (not too difficult with a digital camera). I have not tested it with an analoge body. Though if you search back in this forum you will find many complaints about framelines being too loose for the M8. The M8 followed the traditional pattern of calibrating the framelines for 0.7m for most lenses, 1m for 90mm and 1.5m for 135mm. So I am rather sure the calibration of the M4-2 framelines are the same. This was changed with the M8-2, changed again with the M9, and again with the M10 - which has now a general calibration for 2m. You may try - or better ignore it.