Q3 - Are you happy or disappointed?

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21 minutes ago, JTLeica said:

Yeah this isn’t something you can tell much from. YouTube compression is very bad for photograph inspections. And what you’re seeing there is a higher ‘contrast’ Apo lens, impressively so I will admit, vs the lower contrast higher resolution of the Q3 lens / sensor combo. I don’t doubt that if you stuck the 28 APO onto the new SL3 60 mp camera that is no doubt coming soon, it would outperform the Q3.

But you are seeing contrast differences and not better sharpness and resolution.

You do then open up the debate of what sharpness actually is though. The perception of sharpness is just contrast effectively 

EDIT - The 15:40 part is checking for CA, and is using an extremely tiny resolution image, its not the full 60mp image, quite easy to tell as its extremely pixelated... Here's the screenshot.

To be honest this comparison is pretty badly done.

All these comparisons invariably fail as they don't control all the variables involved.

What they should do is compare images after optimal processing. The default sharpening, contrast and colour manipulation are always different. 

At the end of the day if you have more megapixels and/or more dynamic range to have more data available for processing so the end product should be better ..... IF used appropriately. 

[JTLeica]

On 8/26/2023 at 8:57 AM, Daniel C.1975 said:

The picture of the hotel at around 15:40 is obviously miss-focussed on the Q3 - this picture is totally off. They even mention it briefly but than go ahead with the analysis based on this wrongly focused picture. Lot‘s of effort and good intention with a partially fishy outcome - a pity.

 

BTT: I have the Q2 and I am heavily disappointed about the Q3. The reason is very simple: I still don‘t have it  

No seriously, when I‘ve tried the Q3 and compared it to my Q2 the decision to change has been made very fast. I prefer the button Lay-out as the Q can be used as a single-hand camera and therefore it makes sense to have everything in thumbs reach. The sensor, the flippy screen, the viewfinder and the definitively improved AF with even further room for improvement via FM are rounding up the package.

I love my Q2 to bits and I am very much looking forward to the Q3. 
BTW: I do also have the SL2-s but it is a different breed. However, based on usage I even consider to sell my 35 Apo Summicron SL as I very seldom use it as the difference between the cropped Q2 and the apo is in real world terms very minor, even when without a question the apo is the superior lens. When I use my SL2-s my main lens meanwhile is the 24-90, a 100mm macro or the Panasonic 50mm, but mainly the 24-90. 70% of the time I use the Q2.

 

Haha 'I still don't have it' - made me laugh.

Yes the video image is firstly out of focus and secondly you can tell its tiny compressed image as it's very pixelated. Very odd.

Youtube is full of poorly done photographic comparisons.

There's a new 'Leica Q3 Cinematic' on YouTube, that most definitely was shot with a phone, during covid LOL.

[JTLeica]

15 hours ago, artdicted said:

I own my Q3 now for around 2 months. I used a Q and Q2 and love the simplicity of the camera and especially the Image Quality. But unfortunately I have some issues with the Q3... If I load my color pictures in LR or Capture One, I get over punched color pictures... I tried to fix this with editing, but I didn't get satisfying results. I already send a message to Leica Support. Right now, it seems that the Auto White Balance information are not included to the Q3 files - which means that LR or C1 use their own WB. Leica told me they would fix this in the upcoming Software Update - when.. they couldn't tell. 

Have anyone of you the same issues? Would be great, to know - if not I will send my Q3 to Leica to check the camera - maybe my sensor is damaged....

P.s. I hope it can be fixed, cause I really like the improvements of the camera

 

Hi, post a few DNG's with a link and I can try and have a look. Have a fair big of experience editing... almost more than taking the image

[SrMi]

20 hours ago, artdicted said:

I own my Q3 now for around 2 months. I used a Q and Q2 and love the simplicity of the camera and especially the Image Quality. But unfortunately I have some issues with the Q3... If I load my color pictures in LR or Capture One, I get over punched color pictures... I tried to fix this with editing, but I didn't get satisfying results. I already send a message to Leica Support. Right now, it seems that the Auto White Balance information are not included to the Q3 files - which means that LR or C1 use their own WB. Leica told me they would fix this in the upcoming Software Update - when.. they couldn't tell. 

Have anyone of you the same issues? Would be great, to know - if not I will send my Q3 to Leica to check the camera - maybe my sensor is damaged....

P.s. I hope it can be fixed, cause I really like the improvements of the camera

 

Are you shooting raw or JPEG? I am shooting raw, and the WB information stored in the DNG is applied in Adobe software. The only way to skip the WB information stored in DNG files would be Lightroom settings that force a specific WB at import.

[panoreserve]

Am 26.8.2023 um 00:36 schrieb city of bristol:

 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by panoreserve
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[Ghiry6591]

I used the Q3 as my sole camera on a recent trip to Tunisia, snapping around 500 photos. My judgment can be summarized with "lights and shadows". Let's go in order. 1-focus: the focus that works well in my opinion is only the spot one; out of 10 photos taken simultaneously by me with the Q3 and by my wife with IPhone (11 pro), photos inside the Medina, like point and shoot, the Q3 was able to focus perfectly on 2, the iPhone at least 8. Really irritating. 2-Colours: the colors of the Q3 with the Standard profile and ISO 100 (or even 50) are really very, very beautiful. 3-Objective: in my opinion the exit of Q3 could have been an excellent opportunity to proceed with an update of the much acclaimed Summilux 28/1.7. Instead, this goal is the real Achilles heel of Q3. Mind you, it takes good photos, but good, not extraordinary. Many talk continuously about the sharpness of this lens, as if sharpness were the only parameter to consider. The difference today between a good lens and an extraordinary lens (SL Apo 35/2 Asph., Apo 75/2 Asph.) consists in the accurate, obsessive correction of all aberrations. The Summilux of the Q3 is not free from flaws of this type, including an "old style" edge distortion and a blur that I don't like at all. If you look at the photos taken with the Q3 alone they also look very beautiful at times (thanks also to the spectacular colors as I said, bright reds, intense blues), but if you put them, side by side, with other photos perhaps taken with the SL2-S, then you will understand what I want to share. Of course, with software updates the Q3 will be able to acquire better focus and increased promptness in ignition and shooting, but the limits of the Summilux, unfortunately, will remain unchanged.

[bobtodrick]

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34 minutes ago, Ghiry6591 said:

I used the Q3 as my sole camera on a recent trip to Tunisia, snapping around 500 photos. My judgment can be summarized with "lights and shadows". Let's go in order. 1-focus: the focus that works well in my opinion is only the spot one; out of 10 photos taken simultaneously by me with the Q3 and by my wife with IPhone (11 pro), photos inside the Medina, like point and shoot, the Q3 was able to focus perfectly on 2, the iPhone at least 8. Really irritating. 2-Colours: the colors of the Q3 with the Standard profile and ISO 100 (or even 50) are really very, very beautiful. 3-Objective: in my opinion the exit of Q3 could have been an excellent opportunity to proceed with an update of the much acclaimed Summilux 28/1.7. Instead, this goal is the real Achilles heel of Q3. Mind you, it takes good photos, but good, not extraordinary. Many talk continuously about the sharpness of this lens, as if sharpness were the only parameter to consider. The difference today between a good lens and an extraordinary lens (SL Apo 35/2 Asph., Apo 75/2 Asph.) consists in the accurate, obsessive correction of all aberrations. The Summilux of the Q3 is not free from flaws of this type, including an "old style" edge distortion and a blur that I don't like at all. If you look at the photos taken with the Q3 alone they also look very beautiful at times (thanks also to the spectacular colors as I said, bright reds, intense blues), but if you put them, side by side, with other photos perhaps taken with the SL2-S, then you will understand what I want to share. Of course, with software updates the Q3 will be able to acquire better focus and increased promptness in ignition and shooting, but the limits of the Summilux, unfortunately, will remain unchanged.

This was my main concern.  A number of articles had been published before the Q3 was released that questioned whether the lens without update would be a good match for the new sensor.

[HeinzX]

I use a SL2 and a Q 3 - before a Q 2 - and at some occassions - a  DLUX 7 I shot DNGs and jpgs, but normally I use the jpgs for processing. And I am very, very happy with the leightweight Q 3 .  Sure the SL 2 is better for some purposes, i,e, macro with macro lenses and some things are not possible with the Q 3 like strong tele photos, But for many things the Q 3 is a great camera, as i,e. landscape and for journeys. Street with persons is not my favourate interest, therefore I do not need an extreme quick AF.  All in all I wouls not hesitate to change  my Q 2 again against a Q 3.

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37 minutes ago, bobtodrick said:

This was my main concern.  A number of articles had been published before the Q3 was released that questioned whether the lens without update would be a good match for the new sensor.

I'm interested to know if you any feedback from reviews now that it has been released?  Are you happy or disappointed with your copy?

[dancook]

I was a little disappointed, 

Hip-shooting the Q/Q2 as I'm walking past the subject, f1.7 wide area focus - I could get close shots, I loved the 1.7 look when it hit - but it'll be pot luck to whether the AF choose a bright skyline over the closer subject.

The Q3 had a flipscreen, face detection and a screw thread which made it much easier for me to press the shutter with the thumb in my discrete hand position - but it didn't take long to see that with multiple faces available the face detection went bananas... and that with the AF did nothing to improve on what I was doing with the Q2.

It was not the upgrade I hoped, I sold it and did some street photography with the Hasselblad X2D, 38V and zone focussing instead.

Edited August 28, 2023 by dancook

[bobtodrick]

37 minutes ago, Corius said:

I'm interested to know if you any feedback from reviews now that it has been released?  Are you happy or disappointed with your copy?

I personally didn't upgrade after 1) Don't need 60mp for 16x20 prints, 2) I was concerned about the lens 3) I strongly dislike flip screens (I may consider the Q-E if it does come out)

I do know two people who have the Q3.  One is his first Q and he's happy.  The other moved up from a Q2 and he feels he made a mistake.

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, bobtodrick said:

This was my main concern.  A number of articles had been published before the Q3 was released that questioned whether the lens without update would be a good match for the new sensor.

A 14% increase in linear resolution (Q2 vs. Q3) should not matter.

[reynoldsyoung]

Have had them all...the Q3 is fabulous!

[FusionX.Photo]

On 8/28/2023 at 6:45 PM, dancook said:

I was a little disappointed, 

Hip-shooting the Q/Q2 as I'm walking past the subject, f1.7 wide area focus - I could get close shots, I loved the 1.7 look when it hit - but it'll be pot luck to whether the AF choose a bright skyline over the closer subject.

The Q3 had a flipscreen, face detection and a screw thread which made it much easier for me to press the shutter with the thumb in my discrete hand position - but it didn't take long to see that with multiple faces available the face detection went bananas... and that with the AF did nothing to improve on what I was doing with the Q2.

It was not the upgrade I hoped, I sold it and did some street photography with the Hasselblad X2D, 38V and zone focussing instead.

Bit confused as to why you would use face detection in a busy street instead of zone like you do with the Hasselblad ? I never even used face detection with my Sony gear in the street, it's not really designed for that scenario on any camera. I've yet to miss focus after several street sessions with the Q3 and 6 events in low light. I'm sure it might happen at some stage like it does with all cameras but field or zone is giving me great results.

[Voxen]

1 hour ago, FusionX.Photo said:

Bit confused as to why you would use face detection in a busy street instead of zone like you do with the Hasselblad ? I never even used face detection with my Sony gear in the street, it's not really designed for that scenario on any camera. I've yet to miss focus after several street sessions with the Q3 and 6 events in low light. I'm sure it might happen at some stage like it does with all cameras but field or zone is giving me great results.

I’d say that if face/eye detection is still not good enough for street photography and one still has to rely on zone focusing, buying a Q3 becomes much less necessary. I was doing fine with zone focusing from my first Q.

sure there are more pixels to crop and tilt screen, but I was expecting great results from AF and face/eye detection. Zone focusing has many drawbacks, like not allowing f/1.7 shooting and often raises ISO to big values.

I’d appreciate more feedback of AF users in street photography before I pull the trigger.

Edited August 31, 2023 by Voxen

[FusionX.Photo]

1 minute ago, Voxen said:

I’d say that if face/eye detection is still not good enough for street photography and one still has to rely on zone focusing, buying a Q3 becomes very less necessary.

sure there are more pixels to crop and tilt screen, but I was expecting great results from AF and face/eye detection. Zone focusing has many drawbacks, like not allowing f/1.7 shooting and often raises ISO to big values.

I’d appreciate more feedback of AF users in street photography before I pull the trigger.

I use f/1.7 all the time with zone focussing. There is no need to raise the ISO with zone focussing. 

I also run street photography workshops and spend a lot of time teaching people how to set up and use the camera before heading out.

Face / eye detection is not designed to be used in a busy environment with lots of people in the frame, the Q3 is no worse than other brands in this scenario in my experience.

[Mefty]

I sum my experience with the Leica Q3 in an article on our blog.

maybe you are interested follow the link:

https://www.qimago.de/media/detailseite/leica-q3-qimago-review

[Voxen]

14 hours ago, FusionX.Photo said:

I use f/1.7 all the time with zone focussing. There is no need to raise the ISO with zone focussing. 

Zone focusing at f/1.7 is almost impossible to me when subject is close, say 1 to 2 meters from the camera, because then the DOF is just too shallow. Maybe you are skilled enough to manage sharp images of close ups at f/1.7, I know I’m not 

I do zone focusing at f/8 or f/11 to achieve almost infinite focus distance, while setting my shutter speed to 1/500 to freeze movements.

Depending on the available light, this often raises auto ISO up to 6400 or more.

That’s why I’d be happy to shoot at f/1.7 whatever subject distance is, with reliable face/eye detection.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Voxen

[LocalHero1953]

On 8/27/2023 at 9:04 AM, geesbert said:

This is not my experience. The Q3 is too big to hold in one hand to use the buttons. Especially the menu button is impossible to reach without seriously shifting the whole hand around. The grip becomes quite unstable when reaching for the menu button.  It is not a Ricoh gr, which is so small and light that it can be handled with one hand

I can certainly use a Q2 one-handed without a grip but with a Q3 I doubt I could use the buttons at the same time. I use a wrist strap which provides added security. 

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[adrianh]

On 8/28/2023 at 7:45 PM, dancook said:

It was not the upgrade I hoped, I sold it and did some street photography with the Hasselblad X2D, 38V and zone focussing instead.

How would you rate the colors and IQ from the X2D with the 38V against the Q3?