Lightroom Classic Presets/Profile Q3

[ikc]

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I've been experimenting a bit with profiles in Lightroom. I watched a review that seemed to highly recommend using the Embedded profile for the Q3. So far, I think that the embedded profile looks to push the contrast a bit too much on my images. Is the "embedded" profile what Leica intended for the RAW output to be? Adobe standard seems to push contrast also, but not quite as much. 

I was hoping to get some feedback on this topic, and if anyone has a great preset (or multiple presets) that they want to share, I'd love to try some out. David Farkas used to publish presets for older cameras, but I have not seen one for Q3. He did mention using M11 presets, but I'm not sure that the colors from the Q3 sensor are similar enough to justify that. 

Thanks in advance. 

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[frame-it]

1 hour ago, ikc said:

I've been experimenting a bit with profiles in Lightroom. I watched a review that seemed to highly recommend using the Embedded profile for the Q3. So far, I think that the embedded profile looks to push the contrast a bit too much on my images. Is the "embedded" profile what Leica intended for the RAW output to be? Adobe standard seems to push contrast also, but not quite as much. 

I was hoping to get some feedback on this topic, and if anyone has a great preset (or multiple presets) that they want to share, I'd love to try some out. David Farkas used to publish presets for older cameras, but I have not seen one for Q3. He did mention using M11 presets, but I'm not sure that the colors from the Q3 sensor are similar enough to justify that. 

Thanks in advance. 

just make your own preset, and after saving it, set it to apply during import

[LocalHero1953]

Yes, 'embedded' is Leica's profile and 'Adobe Standard' is Adobe's profile for the Q3. Adobe is confusing in its terminology, but 'standard' is a camera-specific profile. Over the years it has been noticeable that the Adobe Standard profile for each camera has been updated. I remember both the M9 and M240 standard profiles were poor at first, but both evolved to something acceptable.

As frame-it says, you can create your own colour profile - I did for both the M9 and M240 till Adobe improved theirs. You will need a colour target and software: e.g. X-Rite's Color Checker Passport. You can edit a profile directly, but a good eye and experience is needed to avoid unintended side-effects.

NB Profiles are different from Presets, though a preset can include a particular profile. A profile just tells the raw converter how to interpret the raw colour sensor data into colours used on screen. Presets can include white balance, tone curves, sharpening - most editing settings. So if you think a preset makes your images too contrasty, you can just reduce the contrast setting in a preset (or e.g. boost blacks and shadows.)

Annoyingly for the Q series, you cannot include a crop setting in a preset. I would like to automatically reset all my crops to the maximum on import.

Edited July 9, 2023 by LocalHero1953

[M11 for me]

Does someone know, how the Q3 is supported in Lightroom.

Whereas "Perspective Control" of the M11 is perfectly shown in Lightroom Classic, that function is NOT shown for the Q3. I just checked on the Adobe site if the Q3 is already supported. And indeed I find that camera on the listings of Adobe.

Has someone an explanation or a hint of what to do?

I have LR Classic Version 12.4 and Camera Raw 15.4

 

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by M11 for me

[Qwertynm]

^would also like to know that. the perspective control data should be in the dng - just like the crop info. So why does LR Classic not support it when Adobe lists the Q3 as supported. Weird.

[SrMi]

I reported to Leica that Q3's Perspective Control is not working with the latest Adobe software. A Leica representative responded  quickly:

I’ve contacted our team in Wetzlar and our engineers are actively working on rectifying this with Adobe. Hopefully Adobe will update this functionality soon.

 

[M11 for me]

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Thank you very much for this: It seems that they are aware of the issue. Adobe lists the Q3 as supported but there are some queer things: (in the following I speak of DNG only)

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With the M11 with those settings then Perspective control is directly shown correctly in the imported DNG under the condition that in the camera the PC was set to ON. If PC is set to OFF in the camera then PC in an imported image becomes activated when I go to TRANSFORM (Develop Module) and GUIDED is activated.

But there is one big difference: When importing a DNG from M++ that way then I see under Profile "Profile M11". But with a Q3 DNG I see this: Adobe Color and NOT PROFILE Q3. 

 

 

I wonder what the difference is here.

[M11 for me]

Going back to the above Adobe help text:

There is that third option: To import the DNGs with a PRESET.

Let's take the M11 again: I can create any preset. But in order to show PC correctly it is imperative that the profile is set to "Profile M11". To get this I have first to import with "Adobe Default" or "Camera string" and only in a second step create an individual preset as it must include "Profile M11". Otherwise the Perspective Control would not show correctly. And in any case it is forbidden to include PC in the profile: See here:

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Then you get this: This reflects the setting you just have made to an imported DNG:

I tried to tick the "Transform"-field for the Q3. But this is then not what you did in camera but it just applies the LR-tool. And it would apply PC all the time; even in pictures that should have NO PC.

As a consequence PC doe NOT work with the Q3 in relation to Lightroom Classic.

[M11 for me]

I expect actually that Adobe would implement that function for the Q3 the same way as it is implemented for the M11.

I just want to remind you that with the Q2 we had NO "Profile Q2" either (which did not matter at the time). Imports from the Q2 resulted as well in the Profile "Adobe Color" as with the Q3. We never had that specific Q profile and I wonder why.

Just a comparison with an import from Canon R5: Then when importing with "Camera Settings" in Preferences/Preset as import settings then I see "CAMERA STANDARD" as the profile in the development module. Something camera specific and not just Adobe Color.

[SrMi]

3 hours ago, M11 for me said:

Going back to the above Adobe help text:

There is that third option: To import the DNGs with a PRESET.

Let's take the M11 again: I can create any preset. But in order to show PC correctly it is imperative that the profile is set to "Profile M11". To get this I have first to import with "Adobe Default" or "Camera string" and only in a second step create an individual preset as it must include "Profile M11". Otherwise the Perspective Control would not show correctly. And in any case it is forbidden to include PC in the profile: See here:

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

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Then you get this: This reflects the setting you just have made to an imported DNG:

I tried to tick the "Transform"-field for the Q3. But this is then not what you did in camera but it just applies the LR-tool. And it would apply PC all the time; even in pictures that should have NO PC.

As a consequence PC doe NOT work with the Q3 in relation to Lightroom Classic.

Leica is working with Adobe to enable LPC for Q3

[M11 for me]

Thank you very much.

I read your post above already and it seems that everything will come good. On the other hand I realised myself, that it is not evident even with M11 to set all element correctly so that PC works as intended. That is actually my motivation to go in that much detail. I would like to understand how to set things right and where the differences are. 

Hope that we have a solution soon. I do a lot of architecture and miss the fact that I can not properly use the PC function.

[CalStanford]

My Q3's colors developed in RAW in Adobe Camera RAW / Lightroom's newest update have all changed compared to the last version. More subdued and very beige/orangey. Not sure I like it. 

Have you all noticed a change too?

Edited October 15, 2023 by CalStanford

[M11 for me]

vor 19 Minuten schrieb CalStanford:

My Q3's colors developed in RAW in Adobe Camera RAW / Lightroom's newest update have all changed compared to the last version. More subdued and very beige/orangey. Not sure I like it. 

Have you all noticed a change too?

Unfortunately I can not run latest Lightroom Classic. It would not start. So I am still with 12.5. I hope to see a better version 13.x soon

But your point sounds very interesting.

[Collin]

I put my Q3 up for sale a few months ago because I just did not like the colors I was getting in Lightroom. I know it’s all the photographer and all that… but I don’t like having to work so hard to get the look that I got so easily with the Q2. My buyer fell through after dragging out the sale for 2 months. I took the Q3 for another spin. Put the photos into Lightroom today and to my surprise, the colors are totally different and I find the files to be super pleasing now. Weird. I’m so glad I tried again!! I’ll be keeping it!

[shuttershaz]

Which Adobe Lightroom Profile are you guys using for the Q3? I used to use Adobe RAW Color, but I recently noticed Adobe RAW Standard v2. Anyone else using this? (I'm not on classic)

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Edited December 24, 2023 by shuttershaz

[Qwertynm]

Am 24.12.2023 um 06:16 schrieb shuttershaz:

I used to use Adobe RAW Color, but I recently noticed Adobe RAW Standard v2.

Just checked and it’s there in LRC as well. It looks flatter and less saturated. Looks good to me, thanks for the heads up. 

[mrkennethtong]

On 12/24/2023 at 1:16 PM, shuttershaz said:

Which Adobe Lightroom Profile are you guys using for the Q3? I used to use Adobe RAW Color, but I recently noticed Adobe RAW Standard v2. Anyone else using this? (I'm not on classic)

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I have this conundrum too. Thoughts?

[Paul W]

On 12/24/2023 at 4:16 PM, shuttershaz said:

Which Adobe Lightroom Profile are you guys using for the Q3? I used to use Adobe RAW Color, but I recently noticed Adobe RAW Standard v2. Anyone else using this? (I'm not on classic)

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I was using the embedded profile, but now rather like the look of Adobe Standard v2. As another poster suggested, more subdued, maybe more pastel? Whatever it is, I prefer it at present.

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