strangeboy Posted June 16, 2023 Share #1 Posted June 16, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello. I've recently sold my m240, and will purchase either the m10p or the m10r in the next couple of weeks. Regarding the m10r: My understanding is that older lenses, like my 50mm Canon Sonnar f/1,5 LTM, will deliver poor results, as they are unable to resolve the 40mp resolution. This was also mentioned in a video episode on Red Dot Forum. Does anyone have any real world experience with this? Thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JRWhite Posted June 29, 2023 Share #2 Posted June 29, 2023 I am fairly new to digital Leicas so take my comments with a grain of salt. My first Leica was a Barnack iiif. With it I used one of three Canon LTM lenses from the late 1950s - 50mm f/1.8, 35mm f/1.8 or 28mm f/2.8. When I purchased the M10R (used) last year I bought adapters so I could shoot those lenses. The idea was to let my checkbook cool down a bit before buying M lenses. Shot through those lenses for about six months before the first M mount lens was attached. Those Canon images look great to me. But, I’ve been often accused of having low standards. And, full disclosure - since building a modest collection of Voigtlander, Zeiss and Leica M lenses, the Canon LTMs are rarely ever mounted on the M10R. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted June 29, 2023 Share #3 Posted June 29, 2023 Am 16.6.2023 um 20:53 schrieb strangeboy: Hello. I've recently sold my m240, and will purchase either the m10p or the m10r in the next couple of weeks. Regarding the m10r: My understanding is that older lenses, like my 50mm Canon Sonnar f/1,5 LTM, will deliver poor results, as they are unable to resolve the 40mp resolution. This was also mentioned in a video episode on Red Dot Forum. Does anyone have any real world experience with this? Thank you. I use often my Canon LTM 50mm f1.4 on my M10-R and I like the images a lot. I dont really care if the lens is suitable to resolve 40MP. Its the same question if one should use ASPH or pre-ASPH on 40 MP cameras. Well, I shoot with a pre-ASPH 50mm Summilux 🙂 If this worries you, then get a M10-P 🙂 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted June 29, 2023 Share #4 Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) The "problem" I expected with the M10-R is that focussing needs more precision. But I got accoustomed to that in the course of time. Now I don't have the Canon 1.5 but I do have two Jupiter-3 lenses (F1.5 Sonnar, uncoated and coated). They absolutely blow me away in their rendering on the high res sensor. I see a very clear image (albeit - I need a bit of tricks because any minor focus shift is seen such as focus bracketing or using the EVF). And the colours are great. I think I focussed on the C or T this time. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Really wide open (EXIF tells me 1.7), J3 Edited June 29, 2023 by Alberti 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Really wide open (EXIF tells me 1.7), J3 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378386-vintage-lenses-with-m10-r/?do=findComment&comment=4804144'>More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted July 3, 2023 Share #5 Posted July 3, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 8:53 PM, strangeboy said: they are unable to resolve the 40mp Every lens ever made will resolve 40mp. The higher megapixels just show their flaws more obviously. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Street Photographer Posted July 3, 2023 Share #6 Posted July 3, 2023 I use lenses from 1932 - today on the M10 R. There are no downsides. Irrespective of this, there have also been higher-resolution B&W films in the past. Yes, the character or flaws can be seen more clearly. In return, some of the transitions and gradients are a bit finer. Depending on the year of construction of the lenses, it should be noted that some perform better in B&W. Conclusion: From my point of view, there is no reason not to take an R. CZ 50 1.8 Ultron , M10R Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378386-vintage-lenses-with-m10-r/?do=findComment&comment=4806874'>More sharing options...
strangeboy Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted July 10, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 7/3/2023 at 6:24 PM, M Street Photographer said: I use lenses from 1932 - today on the M10 R. There are no downsides. Irrespective of this, there have also been higher-resolution B&W films in the past. Yes, the character or flaws can be seen more clearly. In return, some of the transitions and gradients are a bit finer. Depending on the year of construction of the lenses, it should be noted that some perform better in B&W. Conclusion: From my point of view, there is no reason not to take an R. CZ 50 1.8 Ultron , M10R Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Love the lens flare in the first shot. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 12, 2023 Share #8 Posted July 12, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 8:53 PM, strangeboy said: Hello. I've recently sold my m240, and will purchase either the m10p or the m10r in the next couple of weeks. Regarding the m10r: My understanding is that older lenses, like my 50mm Canon Sonnar f/1,5 LTM, will deliver poor results, as they are unable to resolve the 40mp resolution. This was also mentioned in a video episode on Red Dot Forum. Does anyone have any real world experience with this? Thank you. The concept that a lens can outresolves a sensor or a sensor a lens is flawed. The lens and the sensor form an additive system, not a weakest link situation. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 12, 2023 Share #9 Posted July 12, 2023 https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/10/more-ultra-high-resolution-mtf-experiments/ Scroll down to the appendix. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangeboy Posted July 12, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, jaapv said: https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/10/more-ultra-high-resolution-mtf-experiments/ Scroll down to the appendix. This was always my initial thinking. It wasn't until I watched that Red Dot Forum clip, that I started to wonder about lens performance. Here's the clip where they talk about the inability to even attain proper focus: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2023 Share #11 Posted July 13, 2023 8 hours ago, strangeboy said: This was always my initial thinking. It wasn't until I watched that Red Dot Forum clip, that I started to wonder about lens performance. Here's the clip where they talk about the inability to even attain proper focus: I wonder if what Josh says here in this video is correct? I shot exclusively non-asph. (I.e. older) Leica lenses on my M10R and M10M and love the results. I always use the rangefinder for focus - NEVER EVER liveview and don’t even own a visoflex. But I look at the overall image and don’t spent hours magnifying to 100% pixel level. 🤷🏼♂️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangeboy Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share #12 Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, MadsP said: I wonder if what Josh says here in this video is correct? I shot exclusively non-asph. (I.e. older) Leica lenses on my M10R and M10M and love the results. I always use the rangefinder for focus - NEVER EVER liveview and don’t even own a visoflex. But I look at the overall image and don’t spent hours magnifying to 100% pixel level. 🤷🏼♂️ I don't think Josh tried very hard... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
84bravo Posted July 14, 2023 Share #13 Posted July 14, 2023 On 7/13/2023 at 2:26 AM, strangeboy said: I don't think Josh tried very hard... I like these guys and their videos, but never lose sight of the fact that they are in the business of selling new cameras and lenses. 7 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xveruskax Posted September 19, 2023 Share #14 Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) On 6/29/2023 at 8:21 AM, satijntje said: I use often my Canon LTM 50mm f1.4 on my M10-R and I like the images a lot. I used to use the Canon LTM 50mm f1.4 on an M9, sold that lens. Recently reacquired to use with an M10-P with a Rayqual adapter also. What lens setting do you use in camera? Edited September 19, 2023 by xveruskax Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted September 19, 2023 Share #15 Posted September 19, 2023 vor 4 Stunden schrieb xveruskax: I used to use the Canon LTM 50mm f1.4 on an M9, sold that lens. Recently reacquired to use with an M10-P with a Rayqual adapter also. What lens setting do you use in camera? I normally mark it as a 50mm Summilux pre-ASPH of course 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted September 20, 2023 Share #16 Posted September 20, 2023 Vintage works fine me. My daughter with a cheap and cheerful 90mm Minolta from the 80s. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378386-vintage-lenses-with-m10-r/?do=findComment&comment=4861149'>More sharing options...
JayBird Posted October 1, 2023 Share #17 Posted October 1, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 6:07 AM, 84bravo said: I like these guys and their videos, but never lose sight of the fact that they are in the business of selling new cameras and lenses. I have to wonder about their specific knowledge. I was asking the difference between two used 28 mm lenses. The only difference was one was Pre-ASPH the other was ASPH. I got a very generic answer that lead me to believe he may not have first hand knowledge of his products. If I am going to spend several thousand dollars for a used lens, I would expect the salesperson to be able to answer questions accurately. In the future, I will only use them if they are the only ones who have what I want or if they have the best price for something where I am not considering options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
howard_cummer Posted October 1, 2023 Share #18 Posted October 1, 2023 I use a 1965, made in Canada, 35 summilux on the M10R which at mid apertures draws beautifully. I am also surprised at how well the Tri Elmar draws on the M10R especially at f5.6 and in the 50mm setting. A TE 50mm photo from a few days ago. Howard Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/378386-vintage-lenses-with-m10-r/?do=findComment&comment=4868222'>More sharing options...
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