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Maybe the SL2-S Will Become a Classic

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I'm not sure the vinyl outselling CD argument is very relevant. Streaming, particularly Spotify, is absolutely massive compared to vinyl. A lot of people also buy LP's to stick on the wall and do not even own a turntable.

I wish that everyone owned a turntable, because I make a huge proportion of my living from them, but it's not as big as people like to make out. 
 

As for resolution though, I agree. I still look back on my first-gen Olympus OM-D EM5 images and, in good light, now see some magic there that I didn't at the time. The small, 16mp sensor has quite an organic look to it. I find that in real life I don't sit and study the tiny details in everything that I look at, so having those in an image can have some real wow-factor at first but I eventually find it fatiguing. 24 is a sweet spot of having some extra room to work and sensible file sizes. I do not feel the need to ever have any more for my prints (A3+ is the max size my machine can do).  

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10 hours ago, tedd said:

I'm not sure the vinyl outselling CD argument is very relevant. Streaming, particularly Spotify, is absolutely massive compared to vinyl. A lot of people also buy LP's to stick on the wall and do not even own a turntable.

Most vinyls also appreciate over time, and for some people it's more of an investment. Digital depreciates. 

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1 hour ago, tom0511 said:

I really like the SL2-s for its high iso quality, but I don't see how it produces images "less clinical" or less digital looking than the SL2.

 

Hmm, not sure what I think here. Sometimes I found the SL2 “too sharp” with the SL 50 APO, mainly when it came to portraits. I don’t know the answer, but could higher megapixel cameras like the SL2 add acutance (ie, more edge precision) than the SL2-S, and hence look more digital / clinical as a result? 

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vor 10 Stunden schrieb Jon Warwick:

Hmm, not sure what I think here. Sometimes I found the SL2 “too sharp” with the SL 50 APO, mainly when it came to portraits. I don’t know the answer, but could higher megapixel cameras like the SL2 add acutance (ie, more edge precision) than the SL2-S, and hence look more digital / clinical as a result? 

Personally I dont think so. And I could not see such thing. One thing is clear - the 50 APO SL is one of the sharpest lenses on the market. Not exactly a portrait lens. Personally I prefer the 50/1.4SL because of its smoother bokeh and still sharp but maybe a little more gentle rendering.  I couldnt see any difference in these regards between SL2-S and SL2. Personally I even slightly prefered skin color from SL2, but I prefered the high ISO noise quality of SL2-S.

The Hassy x2d produces a "less digital" look IMO, and it also has lots of MP.

 

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1 hour ago, tom0511 said:

Personally I dont think so. And I could not see such thing. One thing is clear - the 50 APO SL is one of the sharpest lenses on the market. Not exactly a portrait lens. Personally I prefer the 50/1.4SL because of its smoother bokeh and still sharp but maybe a little more gentle rendering.  I couldnt see any difference in these regards between SL2-S and SL2. Personally I even slightly prefered skin color from SL2, but I prefered the high ISO noise quality of SL2-S.

The Hassy x2d produces a "less digital" look IMO, and it also has lots of MP.

 

Or the norm for the look of portrait photography might change. 

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vor 3 Stunden schrieb jaapv:

Or the norm for the look of portrait photography might change. 

in the end its a matter of taste anyways. I have taken images with the APO Summicrons of my daughters and family and I didnt mind the sharpness, but I slightly prefer the Summilux for such subjects. What I wanted to say is that I see the influence of the lenses being maybe bigger than that of the sensor.

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4 hours ago, jaapv said:

I would not be surprised if Topaz released "Soft AI" or if Adobe introduced "Blur AI" sliders

Make my model look young and beautiful with perfect size AI is what we need. No more complaining clients.

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Ken Abrahams

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Classic in terms of a novel 

"a novel must achieve a level of excellence or enduring cultural relevance that most new books can never obtain"

 

Time will tell whether a digital camera can fit the classic determination. We all have favourites and if any Leica digital camera becomes a "classic" it would have to be the M9M (M Monochrom). This camera has just transcended one decade (1 x generation) already. It still maintains relevance and is often sought after by discerning photographers.

Sorry for continuing the side tracking of this thread.

Ken    

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Leica M9, Leica S006, Nikon D800, Canon 5DmkII, Nikon D3, Hasselblad CFV, Fuji X100...

Just because they have been superseded technologically does not mean they did not leave a big mark on the camera world, nor have their images been invalidated by progress. We are also now at the point where technical differences in image quality are more subtle and more at the extremes, so some of these older cameras are still very usable and capable of creating great images, such as the S006 or D800.

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25 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

Leica M9, Leica S006, Nikon D800, Canon 5DmkII, Nikon D3, Hasselblad CFV, Fuji X100...

Just because they have been superseded technologically does not mean they did not leave a big mark on the camera world, nor have their images been invalidated by progress. We are also now at the point where technical differences in image quality are more subtle and more at the extremes, so some of these older cameras are still very usable and capable of creating great images, such as the S006 or D800.

Classic: "Judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind" 

I think you posted a pretty good and brave attempt ( particularly on this forum) Some will agree some will disagree some will add some will detract. Not sure exactly who or what is qualified to judge which digital camera is a "Classic" or not or maybe it's a matter of including units sold and/or did a certain digital camera introduce some major tipping point in the industry. 

Googling shows me the Leica M9 pops up in a lot of lists. 

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