beewee Posted June 24, 2023 Share #21 Posted June 24, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) It would be nice if Leica offered ‘Leica Looks’ as Lightroom presets for DNG files. At least it would then allow you tweak and adjust as desired with all the benefits of 14bit DNGs. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kirkmc Posted June 24, 2023 Share #22 Posted June 24, 2023 They are film simulations on Fujifilm cameras. And you can tweak them, altering contrats, shadows, highlights, etc. in addition, after you’ve shot any photo in raw, you can converted to multiple film, simulations with multiple adjustments in camera. You’re not stuck with just the one that was applied when you shot a photo. and there is a desktop app that you can use to convert raw files using any Fujifilm film simulation by connecting it to the camera. It uses the cameras on board processor to make changes. It’s really a brilliant solution, and Fujifilm film simulations are very attractive. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamario Posted June 24, 2023 Share #23 Posted June 24, 2023 vor 12 Stunden schrieb Ferd: Leica Looks profiles would need at least an adjustment panel for colour palette amen 🙏 Give us control and Leica Looks could be a great help to reduce post processing hours behind the computer. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortitude Posted September 28, 2023 Share #24 Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) Good news everyone. As an accident i found out a way to extract the profiles for Leica Looks available for the Q3 to then be used as a profile for any other software including Adobe Camera Raw and Lightroom and yes, they work for my Q2 or any other camera i have perfectly even on raw files! Being a hacker since a young age I thought to resurrect my reverse engineering skills and by accident bumped into this as my original reason for tinkering with the Leica Firmware was to build a feature that would allow me to directly sync files to my privately hosted NextCloud instance using the on-board Wi-Fi so I wouldnt have to rely on the rather flaky Leica FOTOS app. However the bad news is that sharing this knowledge will most likely fall under some rather annoying reverse engineering laws, but trust me, it is entirely possible to do by anyone with little to no skill after i figured out another way of extracting this information via an alternative method to reversing the firmware files. Edited September 28, 2023 by fortitude 1 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corius Posted September 28, 2023 Share #25 Posted September 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, fortitude said: Good news everyone. As an accident i found out a way to extract the profiles for Leica Looks available for the Q3 to then be used as a profile for any other software including Adobe Camera Raw and Lightroom and yes, they work for my Q2 or any other camera i have perfectly even on raw files! Being a hacker since a young age I thought to resurrect my reverse engineering skills and by accident bumped into this as my original reason for tinkering with the Leica Firmware was to build a feature that would allow me to directly sync files to my privatrly hosted NextCloud instance using the on-board Wi-Fi so I would bit have to rely on the rather flaky Leica FOTOS app. However the bad news is that sharing this knowledge will most likely fall under some rather annoying reverse engineering laws, but trust me, it is entirely possible to do by anyone with little to no skill after i figured out another way of extracting this information via an alternative method to reversing the firmware files. Thank God you haven't told us how to actually do it! I would hate to have been arrested for breaching the "rather annoying reverse engineering laws". However, my Great Uncle Hamish (now 96 years old, God bless him) has "little to no skill" as you put it, so I have forwarded him this post and fully anticipate a solution being posted first thing tomorrow morning! 1 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortitude Posted September 28, 2023 Share #26 Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Corius said: Thank God you haven't told us how to actually do it! I would hate to have been arrested for breaching the "rather annoying reverse engineering laws". However, my Great Uncle Hamish (now 96 years old, God bless him) has "little to no skill" as you put it, so I have forwarded him this post and fully anticipate a solution being posted first thing tomorrow morning! Wow, what a response. I am by EU laws responsible to not disclose even the instructions to my findings as I would personally get a knot around my neck by Leica for doing so which is something that would hurt my career more than your presumably entitled snarky reply. As such i am contacting Leica about my findings when i finish on my actual work to ask them if its okay for me to publish my findings or not. For those who know how to compute - so no mac users i guess - i have given enough clues in my previous message on how trivial it is to attain this information. Literally anyone who knows ZIP files can attain what i accomplished. Edited September 28, 2023 by fortitude 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortitude Posted September 28, 2023 Share #27 Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) On 6/24/2023 at 11:27 AM, kirkmc said: They are film simulations on Fujifilm cameras. And you can tweak them, altering contrats, shadows, highlights, etc. in addition, after you’ve shot any photo in raw, you can converted to multiple film, simulations with multiple adjustments in camera. You’re not stuck with just the one that was applied when you shot a photo. and there is a desktop app that you can use to convert raw files using any Fujifilm film simulation by connecting it to the camera. It uses the cameras on board processor to make changes. It’s really a brilliant solution, and Fujifilm film simulations are very attractive. My findings on the Leica system got me curious if I could attain these Fuji profiles via the Fuji X Raw Studio software and i did manage to get quite close as unlike you stated the conversion of profiles is not done on camera but rather the camera that is connected to your PC acts as a "license" to verify you own a Fuji camera. My endevours on Windows debuggers just came into a halt so after my build for Avalonia IlSpy finishes on my parrotos vm running its single core as sweaty as the person behind the earlier comment I think i can fool the app into thinking a camera is connected as I do not own nor want to own a Fuji body. I already know where the film simulations are stored within the Fuji X software so this is the last missing piece. Edited September 28, 2023 by fortitude Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
filzer Posted September 30, 2023 Share #28 Posted September 30, 2023 Damn. I am a Mac User, so i probably have no chance. I tried to put a .zip on the end of the file, but that did not help. any other archive also did not work. But i am very interested in this... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortitude Posted September 30, 2023 Share #29 Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, filzer said: Damn. I am a Mac User, so i probably have no chance. I tried to put a .zip on the end of the file, but that did not help. any other archive also did not work. But i am very interested in this... Hey. My comment about Mac users was sarcasm. Generally people in my field of work do not appreciate the way Apple has taken computing. I have now contacted Leica Legal team and am awaiting for their reply. Hopefully they do not act like many companies do and send me a lawsuit because I might have embarrased them. Edited September 30, 2023 by fortitude Additional information 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameBrandon Posted September 30, 2023 Share #30 Posted September 30, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 6:05 PM, fortitude said: My findings on the Leica system got me curious if I could attain these Fuji profiles via the Fuji X Raw Studio software and i did manage to get quite close as unlike you stated the conversion of profiles is not done on camera but rather the camera that is connected to your PC acts as a "license" to verify you own a Fuji camera. My endevours on Windows debuggers just came into a halt so after my build for Avalonia IlSpy finishes on my parrotos vm running its single core as sweaty as the person behind the earlier comment I think i can fool the app into thinking a camera is connected as I do not own nor want to own a Fuji body. I already know where the film simulations are stored within the Fuji X software so this is the last missing piece. The X-Raw conversion process is not using the camera as a USB dongle to validate ownership, it's using the x-processor to actually apply the image as if it were taken in camera. This is why one can completely customize a recipe and apply it to a raw file through the software. The software doesn't just apply a standard color profile that's stored in software somewhere, it applies transformations using the X-processor. It does validate the camera is the same model and firmware version as the one that took the image, but that, I would assume, is to correctly apply the film simulation / recipe logic. I'm not sure why using a mac is relevant, I can run whatever VM I want... I've been using macs for decades, and was happily disassembling and reverse engineering x86 based software protection algorithms as far back as the early 1990's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortitude Posted September 30, 2023 Share #31 Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, nameBrandon said: The X-Raw conversion process is not using the camera as a USB dongle to validate ownership, it's using the x-processor to actually apply the image as if it were taken in camera. This is why one can completely customize a recipe and apply it to a raw file through the software. The software doesn't just apply a standard color profile that's stored in software somewhere, it applies transformations using the X-processor. It does validate the camera is the same model and firmware version as the one that took the image, but that, I would assume, is to correctly apply the film simulation / recipe logic. I'm not sure why using a mac is relevant, I can run whatever VM I want... I've been using macs for decades, and was happily disassembling and reverse engineering x86 based software protection algorithms as far back as the early 1990's. I havent got too far with the reversing process yet but i am certain that whatever is marketed as fact by manufacturers differs from what is the reality. I do not think there is anything special in an image processors instruction set to allow transforming images differently compared to regular desktop software. Speed might be optimized but the process for film simulations is surely based on data that is stored somewhere either in the camera os or most likely the desktop application. I am aware that i might be wrong and we will see. The mac comment was a mild stab as to give something back to a great community that welcomed my findings with a snarky comment. Im not an eye for an eye person but entitlement is what gets me. Im glad you are using your Macs at their full potential but i am sure you also understand the comment as it was meant. The vast majority of Apple device users are tech illiterate and thats the crowd for which they are also marketed towards. You are probably also aware of how negatively the Apple crowd talks about the pioneers of the industry. Everyone remembers Steve Jobs but no one remembers Dennis Ritchie, the NeXTSTEP team or even Wozniak who were the people actually generous enough to build most of what Macs are today. My roots for reverse engineering also goes back to the early 90's and i was also heavily part of what is left that is now called just as the scene. Edited September 30, 2023 by fortitude 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stindiri Posted December 17, 2023 Share #32 Posted December 17, 2023 Is it possible to add the Leica looks onto a dng file in the Leica Fotos app? Or in camera? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsalamena Posted March 7, 2024 Share #33 Posted March 7, 2024 New Leica look Eternal is available for Q3 and SL3 via Leica Fotos app. Intersting way to compete with Fuji film simulation. I quite like the idea! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREG PLAT Posted March 7, 2024 Share #34 Posted March 7, 2024 (edited) On 6/13/2023 at 8:14 PM, Ferd said: Coming back from the fortress island of Suomenlinna to Helsinki, in the afternoon sun. The first picture below is Leica Looks "Contemporary". All pictures ISO 200 f8.0 and 1/500s + only cropped (original L-jpeg) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It seems a try to reach Fuji simulation Chrome. Is someone agree? Edited March 7, 2024 by GREG PLAT Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksrhee Posted March 7, 2024 Share #35 Posted March 7, 2024 Got a new look profile today - Eternal. Looks cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsalamena Posted March 7, 2024 Share #36 Posted March 7, 2024 I don’t get how the Looks work: do they apply to jpg files only or there is a way to post process Raw files on Leica App or Lightroom and apply the Look? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corius Posted March 7, 2024 Share #37 Posted March 7, 2024 40 minutes ago, dsalamena said: I don’t get how the Looks work: do they apply to jpg files only or there is a way to post process Raw files on Leica App or Lightroom and apply the Look? They apply to jpg files only. Capture One and Lightroom do have their own versions of some camera simulations, e.g Sony and Canon, that can be applied to RAW files, but Leica isn't supported. They aren't exactly the same as the in camera simulations, but can be quite good. Even better, Fuji has an app that lets you attach the camera and use the in-camera simulation engine on your Raws so you do have access to the exact simulation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsalamena Posted March 7, 2024 Share #38 Posted March 7, 2024 Thanks for clarifying. It would be really useful to have the Leica App work as a tool to apply the different Looks in post process. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHox Posted March 7, 2024 Share #39 Posted March 7, 2024 7 hours ago, dsalamena said: New Leica look Eternal is available for Q3 and SL3 via Leica Fotos app. Intersting way to compete with Fuji film simulation. I quite like the idea! Not available yet on my Fotos app. I suppose I need to wait until the elf has finished its journey around the globe sprinkling goodness into our apps. It’s a long weekend here so hopefully able to test the new LL before I return to the office. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clippit Posted March 8, 2024 Share #40 Posted March 8, 2024 (edited) The Leica Looks are basically some 3D LUT files, which I think it's very similar to Panasonic real time LUT feature. I can't say much but the files are built in the FOTOS app actually Edited March 8, 2024 by clippit Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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