Q3 - Leica Looks

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46 minutes ago, dsalamena said:

 

That would be the perfect solution. As second best option it would be great to process the raw file in camera (or within the Leica Fotos app) and apply the profile in post processing and produce a jpg file with the preferred Look. 

The Fuji SW "RAW File Convertor Ex" allows you to connect your camera and use its JPEG processing engine to retrospectively apply the simulations to RAW files so you get the true OOC look rather than the Adobe approximation. It would be great if Leica did this also.

[charles tay]

On 5/29/2023 at 6:43 AM, brettgoulder said:

For those lucky Q3 owners out there, what are your thoughts about "Leica Looks" from the updated Fotos app?
 

I'd love to get rid of raw processing for like 90% of my pics and think a Q3 upgrade might make that possible.

When I use my Fuji camera I just snap and use SOOC (straight out of camera) using film simulation.

I just got my q3 and was pleasantly surprised to find this leica looks and I am using contemporary and sepia for my SOOC photos in JPEG.

The editing I do is just cropping within my iPhone and iPad. But photos copied to iPad Pro was more enjoyable to view and edit.

Anyone here using iPad Pro to edit your photos ? 

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5 hours ago, charles tay said:

When I use my Fuji camera I just snap and use SOOC (straight out of camera) using film simulation.

I just got my q3 and was pleasantly surprised to find this leica looks and I am using contemporary and sepia for my SOOC photos in JPEG.

The editing I do is just cropping within my iPhone and iPad. But photos copied to iPad Pro was more enjoyable to view and edit.

Anyone here using iPad Pro to edit your photos ? 

Fujifilm film simulation is better than Leica looks though just because we can adjust the settings. Did you try the new Eternal look? It has stronger contrast than Contemporary and magenta tint to it although Contemporary is better for skin tones.

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12 hours ago, ksrhee said:

I think we are talking about two different things.  If you shoot DNG+JPG, JPG files will have the Leica Look you selected.  We are talking about applying the ink-camera profile in Lightroom to the raw files.  When I shoot Fuji Raw, I can apply an in-camera profile when I develop the file since Adobe supports it.

I've had some experience with the Fuji X100V's profiles and I didn't manage to reproduce the JPEG's look (which which Acros Yellow BTW) with the corresponding profile in Adobe Lightroom Classic. So I don't have high hopes for adequate profiles in Adobe Lightroom/Camera Raw that will faithfully replicate Leica Looks for JPEGs. If Adobe will ever provide camera-matching profiles for the Q3 at all.

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If Leica/Adobe has the feature built into the app, Leica looks profiles can be applied just like the Fuji camera as seen here.  

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2 hours ago, ksrhee said:

If Leica/Adobe has the feature built into the app, Leica looks profiles can be applied just like the Fuji camera as seen here.  

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So far no camera-matching profiles for the Leica Q3. And I have the latest version of Lightroom Classic.

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Why constantly talk about fuji in a Leica Forum?

Resell Leica and stay Fuji and change the forum.

[M Street Photographer]

Since yesterday I am now the happy owner of a Q3. So far I've only read along here because I haven't had a say yet. First of all, I would like to say that these posts about Fuji, who does what and how at Fuji, are getting on my nerves a bit. I'm not interested here. Just as little to know what Nikon or anyone else does.

Today I easily connected to the app and downloaded the Leica looks.Today I dedicated myself exclusively to Eternal simulation.I discovered that this simulation is only suitable for a few motifs because it distorts the colors too much and the contrast is also a bit too strong. Since I always record raw at the same time, it's not that bad. Of course it would be more convenient if Capture One would also allow what I use to be applied to the raw.Alternatively, it would of course also be possible if the looks could be changed or edited in some way on the cell phone, in the app.

In the near future I will turn to the other simulations and simply take a recording with the different simulations and then see how I could use them.

[David Wien]

Am I alone in wanting my photos to look like the scenes, places, and people I photograph with my Leica Q3? I dont mind using raw files and tweaking them to achieve this, but any manipulation further than that seems very Mickey Mouse to me and a waste of time and resources. It must also surely be obtainable more easily with a much less sophisticated camera than the Q3.

David

Edited March 17, 2024 by David Wien

[jaapv]

Just a question of esthetics: What is so compelling about these presets. Personally I find them not very impressive and prefer my own treatment of a raw files- both Leica and Fuji. BTW calling them Leica Looks turns out to be a brilliant marketing ploy.

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vor 17 Minuten schrieb David Wien:

Am I alone in wanting my photos to look like the scenes, places, and people I photograph with my Leica Q3? I dont mind using raw files and tweaking them to achieve this, but any manipulation further than that seems very Mickey Mouse to me and a waste of time and resources. It must also surely be obtainable more easily with a much less sophisticated camera than the Q3.

David

If you prefer to depict reality in its sobriety, that is your personal choice. But in addition to depicting reality, there is also an artistic side that needs to be developed.And so an exaggerated artistic treatment can even significantly underline or emphasize the message.For me it doesn't mean that I'll use various Leica looks anymore.

It's just one possibility and one building block that the Q3 offers and for me it's part of getting to know the Q3 in all its possibilities.What I do, how I use it and how I adapt my workflow in Capture One is a question of the next few days and weeks, once I know and master every aspect of the camera and the lens.Even if I'm not one of those people who spend hours editing a photo in the software, you should still decide for yourself what you do with your software and a photo, how and, above all, how long and how often.

And if a jpeg photo meets my requirements, whether through Leica Look or through internal adjustment of the individual menu items, then it is good enough for me; I don't always have to use raw.I'm already speculating a little about adjusting the black and white Jpeg from the camera so that the quality of the photo corresponds to my expectations.

 

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@M Street Photographer. I have no problem with your opinion. But I dont see my own preference as particularly sober. The effect depends upon the lighting of the scene and sobriety is not usually my aim! I guess we all make decisions that affect our interpretation of what we see through the lens. I just dont wish mine to be achieved by the application of what is in effect an artificial filter applied to a photo that hopefully already has its own attractive character -- which we sometimes describe as photogenic appeal.

David

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vor 36 Minuten schrieb David Wien: I just dont wish mine to be achieved by the application of what is in effect an artificial filter applied to a photo that hopefully already has its own attractive character -- which we sometimes describe as photogenic appeal.

David

Does your opinion also mean the use of optical filters?

[M Street Photographer]

Here's an example where it fits - Eternal

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1 hour ago, David Wien said:

@M Street Photographer. I have no problem with your opinion. But I dont see my own preference as particularly sober. The effect depends upon the lighting of the scene and sobriety is not usually my aim! I guess we all make decisions that affect our interpretation of what we see through the lens. I just dont wish mine to be achieved by the application of what is in effect an artificial filter applied to a photo that hopefully already has its own attractive character -- which we sometimes describe as photogenic appeal.

David

It agree that any photograph must be a harmony between processing and subject/lighting. That cannot be achieved by a preset that has been dreamed up by some software engineers in Wetzlar. 

[M Street Photographer]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb jaapv:

It agree that any photograph must be a harmony between processing and subject/lighting. That cannot be achieved by a preset that has been dreamed up by some software engineers in Wetzlar. 

But that doesn't mean that it doesn't work well with some motifs.Presets in the image editing software or in the camera don't always fit, but occasionally they do.

 

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11 minutes ago, M Street Photographer said:

But that doesn't mean that it doesn't work well with some motifs.Presets in the image editing software or in the camera don't always fit, but occasionally they do.

 

Oh yes - one can strike it lucky, I agree. Like you I will use presets if they are to my taste for a specific photograph, like the auto settings in postprocessing programs that sometimes hit the mark. But from a number of posts I get the impression that the Leica Looks and Fuji simulations are being elevated to some kind of universal holy grail. 

[M Street Photographer]

For Fuji, the Fuji fanboys may certainly see it that way.The Fuji simulations are imitations of the originals that are as perfect as possible.For example, the Acros black and white film simulation is almost perfect. 

With Leica, on the other hand, in my opinion it is more about a certain look, which is not identical to well-known analog films.In addition, the Leica looks are only used on JPEG and do not allow any adjustment in the cell phone, camera, or image editing software. But we should also be fair and give Leica some time to see where the app or the looks develop. It would be quite possible for an adjustment similar to what we find with the existing standard jpeg settings (contrast, color, sharpness, etc.). Maybe the way forward is that the looks can also be applied to Raw and we can then do correspondingly extensive editing.

So unfortunately we'll give it a little more time and wait.

As a side note, not everything is offered in white, one has to assume that I am foregoing video in the Q3, for example.Just because the Q3 offers me the opportunity to shoot videos, I won't do that and it's the same with all other things. So if you don't want the looks or don't like them, you don't need to use them. But everyone else who likes the looks can use them however they like.

I would be very happy if there were Leica looks, e.g. the Kodak Chrome or an Ilford black and white film.😁

Edited March 18, 2024 by M Street Photographer

[jaapv]

Personally I find digital film simulations a clear example of kitsch. Pretending to be something that they are not. I am sure that there will be even more perfect fakes using AI. If one wants an image to look like film, shoot film and process film to print. 

Digital is a completely different medium with its own esthetic. Not a Han van Meegeren tool. 

 

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You guys have to agree that everyone is different and has their own preferences and opinions. I feel there is no rule in photography. Some love the film look but do not want to go back into darkroom so they choose to edit their pictures to be "film" like. Some love shooting jpegs because they want more time shooting than sitting in front of their computers. What I am saying is if the final product manages to deliver the user's intention then there is nothing wrong with that.