a.noctilux Posted May 25, 2023 Share #21 Posted May 25, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Let's admit that for some it IS a problem and some other NOT a problem, So let's move on, and let's take (make ?) pictures with these nice tools. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vlad Soare Posted May 25, 2023 Share #22 Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: let's take (make ?) pictures with these nice tools. Yeah, but that's the thing. The aren't so nice if they don't look right. Besides, if they can't even do a small and easy alignment properly, who knows what other things could be wrong inside? Can we trust them to have assembled and adjusted all those hundreds of extremely fine and delicate components correctly, if they can't even do a frame counter? Someone looked at an obviously crooked frame counter and said, "yes, that will do". How can you trust that person to have done everything else right? What if they applied the "that will do" strategy to the innards of the camera as well? Edited May 25, 2023 by Vlad Soare 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 25, 2023 Share #23 Posted May 25, 2023 As you like 🤞 A bit out of topic then ... Without faith, these Tourbillon watches would not have been created, just a thought, Leica gear is cheap comparing to those watches for-happy-few https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watches/de-ville/tourbillon/catalog Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! only 183k$ 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! only 183k$ ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/377376-new-m6-is-the-frame-counter-off-an-issue/?do=findComment&comment=4779173'>More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted May 25, 2023 Share #24 Posted May 25, 2023 I wouldn't call it cheap - after all, it's out of the reach of most photography enthusiasts - but I do agree that it's quite reasonably priced. And it is, indeed, a joy to use. That watch is absolutely magnificent. 😍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted May 25, 2023 Share #25 Posted May 25, 2023 I just looked at M3, M4, M4-2 and M6 original: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/377376-new-m6-is-the-frame-counter-off-an-issue/?do=findComment&comment=4779400'>More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted May 25, 2023 Share #26 Posted May 25, 2023 vor 4 Stunden schrieb a.noctilux: As you like 🤞 A bit out of topic then ... Without faith, these Tourbillon watches would not have been created, just a thought, Leica gear is cheap comparing to those watches for-happy-few https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watches/de-ville/tourbillon/catalog Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! only 183k$ So I sold my new M6 and bought myself a framecounter tourbillon, a dusty Ricoh KR-10X 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted May 25, 2023 Share #27 Posted May 25, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 20 Stunden schrieb LocalHero1953: I disliked the M2 design - too easy to move the disk round accidentally. +1. I never liked the M2 frame counter design either. At the time, it was the el cheapo version to lower the price of the M2 relative to the M3, and it sure looks like that even today. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted May 25, 2023 Share #28 Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, a.noctilux said: As you like 🤞 A bit out of topic then ... Without faith, these Tourbillon watches would not have been created, just a thought, Leica gear is cheap comparing to those watches for-happy-few https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/watches/de-ville/tourbillon/catalog Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! only 183k$ Not quite $183K. I paid $189 USD for it in 1986 and it still runs great! Edited May 25, 2023 by madNbad 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted May 26, 2023 Share #29 Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, madNbad said: Not quite $183K. I paid $189 USD for it in 1986 and it still runs great! Looks great. 😍 👍 This one is 1980 and still runs great. I wear it every day. I don't know how much it was, though. It belonged to my wife's late father, who had received it as a gift. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Unlike Leica, in this case the serial numbers do have a meaning and aren't just assigned randomly. My S/N tells me it's the 18th copy produced in January 1980. This caliber, 6309, is supposed to be accurate to +/- 20 seconds a day. Mine runs slow by a minute per week, which is well within spec. Goes well with my silver M-A. 😎😁 Edited May 26, 2023 by Vlad Soare 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Unlike Leica, in this case the serial numbers do have a meaning and aren't just assigned randomly. My S/N tells me it's the 18th copy produced in January 1980. This caliber, 6309, is supposed to be accurate to +/- 20 seconds a day. Mine runs slow by a minute per week, which is well within spec. Goes well with my silver M-A. 😎😁 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/377376-new-m6-is-the-frame-counter-off-an-issue/?do=findComment&comment=4779903'>More sharing options...
Matlock Posted May 26, 2023 Share #30 Posted May 26, 2023 14 hours ago, wizard said: +1. I never liked the M2 frame counter design either. At the time, it was the el cheapo version to lower the price of the M2 relative to the M3, and it sure looks like that even today. If it was that "el cheapo" I wonder why it was chosen for the Professional MP back in 1956 (two years before the M2). I suspect that cost never was part of the equation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted May 26, 2023 Share #31 Posted May 26, 2023 The frame counter of the M2 may have been and looked cheaper, but it was perfectly visible and readable from miles away, and it had no alignment issues. In all fairness, I haven't actually used it myself, nor seen it in the flesh. It may be that it wasn't as nice to use in real life as I'm imagining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted May 26, 2023 Share #32 Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Vlad Soare said: The frame counter of the M2 may have been and looked cheaper, but it was perfectly visible and readable from miles away, and it had no alignment issues. In all fairness, I haven't actually used it myself, nor seen it in the flesh. It may be that it wasn't as nice to use in real life as I'm imagining. The M3 counter is perfectly visible from arm’s length which is more useful. And how do you know the M2’s has no alignment issues? Guess what?… Edited May 26, 2023 by Huss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted May 26, 2023 Share #33 Posted May 26, 2023 Just now, Huss said: And how do you know the M2’s has no alignment issues? Guess what?… I mean you can align it yourself however you want. You don't have to see it crooked all the time just because a Leica employee couldn't be bothered to do it properly and thought it was good enough. I agree, it is visible. But only after you move the camera around to get rid of all the reflections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted May 26, 2023 Share #34 Posted May 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, Vlad Soare said: I mean you can align it yourself however you want. You don't have to see it crooked all the time just because a Leica employee couldn't be bothered to do it properly and thought it was good enough. I agree, it is visible. But only after you move the camera around to get rid of all the reflections. I dunno dood, I have a whole bunch of Leica Ms and never had an issue. Never had to move them around to rid reflections. And you know why? Because there aren't any as the cover glass is intentionally curved to magnify the image and minimize reflections. You’ll only see reflections if it was a flat piece of glass. Was the cover glass changed in your camera? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted May 26, 2023 Share #35 Posted May 26, 2023 No, it wasn't. It's been like this from new. Maybe I'm more sensitive to reflections, I don't know... Anyway, it doesn't really matter. It is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted May 26, 2023 Share #36 Posted May 26, 2023 vor 5 Stunden schrieb Vlad Soare: Mine runs slow by a minute per week, which is well within spec. While that's really not too bad for such an old watch, it would be easy to adjust it to be even more accurate, if you know how to do it. I don't like any of my watches running slow, so I adjust them myself to run within 0 to +5s per day. I have quite a few mechanical watches, none of them expensive, that I can wear for a month and that are still within about 10s from true time (checked with a radio controlled watch, never use radio, TV or mobile phone, they are not exact) at the end of the month. I find that quite remarkable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted May 26, 2023 Share #37 Posted May 26, 2023 vor 4 Stunden schrieb Matlock: I wonder why it was chosen for the Professional MP back in 1956 Makes me wonder, too. Could be that it is less prone to fail, I dunno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Soare Posted May 26, 2023 Share #38 Posted May 26, 2023 6 hours ago, wizard said: Makes me wonder, too. Could be that it is less prone to fail, I dunno. I don't know about the indicator itself, but the reset mechanism does seem to be very prone to fail, if the number of people who report having issues with it on this forum is anything to go by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted May 26, 2023 Share #39 Posted May 26, 2023 7 hours ago, wizard said: Makes me wonder, too. Could be that it is less prone to fail, I dunno. Rotating the frame counter on my M2 feels like winding a fine watch. It seems like a high-quality mechanism. Now, if I could just remember to manually reset it when I load a roll of film... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted May 26, 2023 Share #40 Posted May 26, 2023 42 minutes ago, logan2z said: Rotating the frame counter on my M2 feels like winding a fine watch. It seems like a high-quality mechanism. Now, if I could just remember to manually reset it when I load a roll of film... That was always my problem. My one regret after switching from M3 to M2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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