DadDadDaddyo Posted May 27, 2023 Share #41 Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't wish to engage too deeply here, but I've found the M11 to be just as hand-holdable at low shutter speed as any non-IBIS or non-OIS Leica body/lens combination, looking back over more than 50 years of doing so. To paraphrase an old chestnut... New York City Tourist, to photographer: "How do you get to the Museum of Modern Art?" Photographer: "Practice, practice, practice." Edited May 27, 2023 by DadDadDaddyo 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pegelli Posted May 27, 2023 Share #42 Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, stephen.w said: I also don't want or need 60mb files, but I suppose that with IBIS at least there is a better chance of them being useable at lower shutter speeds, unlike with the M11. If you go to the same output size camera shake will be equal for the M9 or M11 (or any M inbetween). 60 MP only means you can better detect it when enlarging to 100% on your computer screen. Edited May 28, 2023 by jaapv Copyright violation 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Russell Posted May 27, 2023 Share #43 Posted May 27, 2023 I would buy a 28mm lens for my M11. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinetic Posted May 28, 2023 Share #44 Posted May 28, 2023 Just pulled the trigger on a used Voigtlander 28mm Ultron II (mint! I like buying used to know that it's already a good copy), so no Q3 for me. I was very tempted by the 8K video, weather sealing, but I just don't use the 28mm focal length enough to warrant using two camera bodies. If I'm ever doing a photo shoot where I need a wide focal length quite a bite, I'll just rent I guess, or realistically just use my big DSLRs at that point. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLeicaWorld Posted May 28, 2023 Share #45 Posted May 28, 2023 16 hours ago, stephen.w said: For me it is just too expensive for what it is: a fixed lens point and shoot. One day the camera will die or be overtaken by other technology, and that nice 28mm lens will die with it. If I used it every day I could probably justify the cost, but I know I wouldn't use it every day. It's also too big for what it is. I also don't want or need 60mb files, but I suppose that with IBIS at least there is a better chance of them being useable at lower shutter speeds, unlike with the M11. I don’t think it will die one day .. the original Q is 7 years old and still a very strong camera.. and will last for many years .. the technology is not fast as we think .. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsch Posted May 28, 2023 Share #46 Posted May 28, 2023 On 5/21/2023 at 9:26 PM, kinetic said: Here's what the Q3 offers that I'd be interested in on top of using my M11: Weather protection 8K video 28mm focal length (I only shoot with a 50mm right now on my M11, and want something wider on occasion) close focus/macro (My 50mm is the close focus, but it's not anything near a macro setting) Phase detect hybrid AF (I don't do much that needs AF where using a RF doesn't work, but there could be times) I think that's really it for me that would move me towards getting the Q3. A really nice Summilux 28mm lens is already 3/4 of the way there in price haha. You could try the Elpro 52 with your 50mm and get quite near macro with your M11 You can also use your 50mm to stitch 4 shots in a 2x2 grid to get the 28mm FOV if you only do the occasional landsape ... There. I've just saved you $5700 .... 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 28, 2023 Share #47 Posted May 28, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 17 hours ago, pegelli said: If you go to the same output size camera shake will be equal for the M9 or M11 (or any M inbetween). 60 MP only means you can better detect it when enlarging to 100% on your computer screen. Funny as it is ( was) we cannot allow the publication of copyrighted material. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted May 28, 2023 Share #48 Posted May 28, 2023 6 hours ago, kinetic said: Just pulled the trigger on a used Voigtlander 28mm Ultron II (mint! I like buying used to know that it's already a good copy), so no Q3 for me. I was very tempted by the 8K video, weather sealing, but I just don't use the 28mm focal length enough to warrant using two camera bodies. If I'm ever doing a photo shoot where I need a wide focal length quite a bite, I'll just rent I guess, or realistically just use my big DSLRs at that point. You should have said something I would have sold you my copy. The Ultron 28 II is a great lens. Since I got a 28mm Summilux for the M, there is no Q3 in my horizon. Love the lens details and strong colors. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegelli Posted May 28, 2023 Share #49 Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, jaapv said: Funny as it is ( was) we cannot allow the publication of copyrighted material. Sorry Jaap I hope a link to the owner's website with the cartoon is allowed: WTD 630 "Grim peeper" Edited May 28, 2023 by pegelli 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted May 28, 2023 Share #51 Posted May 28, 2023 23 hours ago, DadDadDaddyo said: I don't wish to engage too deeply here, but I've found the M11 to be just as hand-holdable at low shutter speed as any non-IBIS or non-OIS Leica body/lens combination, looking back over more than 50 years of doing so. To paraphrase an old chestnut... New York City Tourist, to photographer: "How do you get to the Museum of Modern Art?" Photographer: "Practice, practice, practice." Although the joke originated with Carnegie Hall as the destination. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DadDadDaddyo Posted May 28, 2023 Share #52 Posted May 28, 2023 Hence "paraphrase.." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianforber Posted May 28, 2023 Share #53 Posted May 28, 2023 On 5/27/2023 at 1:29 AM, Segal said: I still have my Q2, but I barely use it anymore after buying an M11 a year ago - I think I only shot with it a couple of times when my M11 was being repaired. I shot with Q and Q2 for years, and Q3 looks like a fantastic camera, but I see no reason to buy it right now. Q3M, on the other hand, might be the perfect companion camera for me. I find that whichever I use, I think that’s all I need. I was out with my Q2 last week and it was fantastic, leaving me wondering whether I should sell my M11. When I used my M11 a few weeks ago, I was wondering whether to sell my Q2. I just need to use each often enough that I’m left sitting on the fence! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segal Posted May 28, 2023 Share #54 Posted May 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, ianforber said: I find that whichever I use, I think that’s all I need. I was out with my Q2 last week and it was fantastic, leaving me wondering whether I should sell my M11. When I used my M11 a few weeks ago, I was wondering whether to sell my Q2. I just need to use each often enough that I’m left sitting on the fence! I just picked up Q2 to take some test shots to see how it works with GPS, and you're right - it feels fantastic! Not selling my M11 any time soon because I love 35mm and 50mm and often end up cropping images from Q2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianforber Posted May 28, 2023 Share #55 Posted May 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Segal said: I just picked up Q2 to take some test shots to see how it works with GPS, and you're right - it feels fantastic! Not selling my M11 any time soon because I love 35mm and 50mm and often end up cropping images from Q2. I agree. Cropping on both cameras is fantastic. I almost always crop to a ridiculous degree and I haven’t noticed much difference between the 47MP sensor of the Q2 and the 60MP sensor of the M11. Example below is a SOOC jpeg from the Q2 which I cropped to focus on the fine details of the car. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/376886-any-m-users-here-considering-a-q3/?do=findComment&comment=4781832'>More sharing options...
Segal Posted May 28, 2023 Share #56 Posted May 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, ianforber said: I agree. Cropping on both cameras is fantastic. I almost always crop to a ridiculous degree and I haven’t noticed much difference between the 47MP sensor of the Q2 and the 60MP sensor of the M11. Example below is a SOOC jpeg from the Q2 which I cropped to focus on the fine details of the car. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Oh, I agree, both are an absolute overkill when it comes to resolution. I have several 1x1.5 meter prints in my house from the original 24 Mpx Q, and they look great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinetic Posted May 28, 2023 Share #57 Posted May 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Photoworks said: You should have said something I would have sold you my copy. The Ultron 28 II is a great lens. Since I got a 28mm Summilux for the M, there is no Q3 in my horizon. Love the lens details and strong colors. Ah bummer. I usually try to buy/sell on Fred Miranda, just because of the credibility and generally the high volume of stuff that gets bought/sold there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinetic Posted May 28, 2023 Share #58 Posted May 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Datsch said: You could try the Elpro 52 with your 50mm and get quite near macro with your M11 You can also use your 50mm to stitch 4 shots in a 2x2 grid to get the 28mm FOV if you only do the occasional landsape ... There. I've just saved you $5700 .... 🙂 You're killing the GAS Elpro 52 huh? That looks very cool. I might just check that out! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted May 28, 2023 Share #59 Posted May 28, 2023 I'm waiting until the Q5 is released... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEyesHaveIt Posted May 29, 2023 Share #60 Posted May 29, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, kinetic said: You're killing the GAS Elpro 52 huh? That looks very cool. I might just check that out! The Elpro is quite cool. This is shot with the Elpro + the 50 summilux. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited May 29, 2023 by TheEyesHaveIt 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/376886-any-m-users-here-considering-a-q3/?do=findComment&comment=4782615'>More sharing options...
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