Advice requested: used Leica lens, 28mm or 35mm, for portraits set in low ambient light and very soft blur for Leica SL (TYP 601)

[jaapv]

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It doesn't annoy me.  Technology evolves -  humanity replaced its Flint tools by Bronze ones a long time ago. Often a modern composite (what you call plastic) is superior to metal.  Why do cars last longer and show little or no rust nowadays? Because large parts of the bodywork are plastic.

[Shepherdphotographer]

And they screw you with flimsy plastic boxes programmed to break after a while or on the slightest bump, so they're sure you'll buy them back.  They also screw you with electronics!  would you dare to deny it?  In Italy there are still Fist 500 cars from 50 years ago: they never leave you on the street and, even if they did, exceptionally, a piece of wire or a chewing-gum would be enough to restart it and take you home;  modern cars: if the engine light turns on for a stupid thing, they stop: tow truck and high expense at the mechanic;  does a light bulb burn out in a Fiat Punto?  €1;  does a Xenon burn in a mid-range car?  50-100€.  Then there are those that have control units in the headlights: does a light bulb burn out in a Fiat Punto?  €1;  do the headlights no longer work or the rain sensor on the windshield wipers on a high-end car?  A lot of money for the control unit;  on the Fiat Punto or the 500 it's silly and you don't need the rain sensor to operate the wipers: just overcome the laziness of modern people and their exhibitionism, to push the lever downwards with your hand and they operate.  Before, things were done well and to last, at the right price;  today they are built to break after a while and with a much worse quality / price ratio.  This is progress.  If you want to delude yourself and be fooled, take a seat (I'm speaking in general).

Ah ah ah!!!!!!

[Shepherdphotographer]

I forgot: ...... then you stay on the street at night without lights or stopped in the rain, because the windshield wipers don't work for a stupid thing!!!!  Ah ah ah!!!!!

Edited April 22, 2023 by Shepherdphotographer

[jaapv]

16 minutes ago, Shepherdphotographer said:

And they screw you with flimsy plastic boxes programmed to break after a while or on the slightest bump, so they're sure you'll buy them back.  They also screw you with electronics!  would you dare to deny it?  In Italy there are still Fist 500 cars from 50 years ago: they never leave you on the street and, even if they did, exceptionally, a piece of wire or a chewing-gum would be enough to restart it and take you home;  modern cars: if the engine light turns on for a stupid thing, they stop: tow truck and high expense at the mechanic;  does a light bulb burn out in a Fiat Punto?  €1;  does a Xenon burn in a mid-range car?  50-100€.  Then there are those that have control units in the headlights: does a light bulb burn out in a Fiat Punto?  €1;  do the headlights no longer work or the rain sensor on the windshield wipers on a high-end car?  A lot of money for the control unit;  on the Fiat Punto or the 500 it's silly and you don't need the rain sensor to operate the wipers: just overcome the laziness of modern people and their exhibitionism, to push the lever downwards with your hand and they operate.  Before, things were done well and to last, at the right price;  today they are built to break after a while and with a much worse quality / price ratio.  This is progress.  If you want to delude yourself and be fooled, take a seat (I'm speaking in general).

Ah ah ah!!!!!!

I appear to live in a different world - it used to be necessary to buy two Jaguars to have one in running order - the engines in a Mini 1100 lasted 20.000 km. A modern car will run 300.000 km without major issues. And my experience with Italian electronics (not only cars) has indeed sometimes been abysmal  

[Shepherdphotographer]

The FIAT electronics have always been bad, but the engines are good, but from here to deny that today things are made to break and they cheat you with electronics (all brands) it takes a lot, come on..... !!!!

[Shepherdphotographer]

I would like to return to the subject of my topic...... Updating to today, I am considering the Nokton 35/1.2 III: I have searched for more photos on the net and reviews...... At f/1.2 it has many defects in the yield (coma, distortion.......), but I think it's normal for such extreme lenses, even if with rather simple projects..... Anyway I'll look for a copy to try it, maybe hoping to be able to compare it with my Nikon 35/1.4 AI before I buy it.....

Edited April 22, 2023 by Shepherdphotographer

[sometimesmaybe]

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1 hour ago, Shepherdphotographer said:

At f/1.2 it has many defects in the yield (coma, distortion.......), but I think it's normal for such extreme lenses, even if with rather simple projects.....

from my use of the Nokton f1.2 v3, the issues you identified dont come up in practice when shooting portraits. the only thing i do notice is some spherical aberrations when shooting close up (less than 1m) and wide open, but i like the slight glow it gives my images. it is completely usable at f1.2

i would agree, there's no point spending the money if your Nikon can do 90% of the job

[Shepherdphotographer]

Normal user's personal experiences often  is the more precious resource, darling! Than you, Sometimesmaybe!

[Shepherdphotographer]

On 4/22/2023 at 8:50 PM, jaapv said:

I appear to live in a different world - it used to be necessary to buy two Jaguars to have one in running order - the engines in a Mini 1100 lasted 20.000 km. A modern car will run 300.000 km without major issues. And my experience with Italian electronics (not only cars) has indeed sometimes been abysmal  

 

1) Modern, current, contemporary Italian cars, at least the normal ones, for ordinary people, even the high-end ones (exclude Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, which are for rich users and built in another way!), make crap and the electronics in particular, the only good thing is the engine, they are not like they used to be, fifty years ago they were built to last, today they are built to break and save a lot.  2) "Progress" is not synonymous with "evolution": it evolves anyway, time passes, but what is defined as "progress" can also consist of a worsening compared to the previous situation and I think this is the case in many sectors.  Then there are those who feel satisfied with how things work today.  sorry for the OT.

[BernardC]

1 hour ago, Shepherdphotographer said:

they are not like they used to be, fifty years ago they were built to last, today they are built to break and save a lot.

The cars of my parents' generation were completely worn-out at 100,000 miles (160,000 km). There was nothing left to fix, even if you lived in a dry climate and the body was structurally sound.

[jaapv]

My first car was a Citroen 11 Legère. Twenty years old and 480.000 km on the clock. It was reliable and reparable. I drove it all over Europe. Her name was Gigi. 

[Shepherdphotographer]

Today all those Km without systematic, periodic failures and expensive repairs, you dream about them!