Minochage Posted April 16, 2023 Share #21 Posted April 16, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Until now, I have used Leica M3 since 2011 with Leitz Valloy II and Focomat 1C. Yesterday, I ordered my first digital Leica, M11 Monochrom into Leica Store Kyoto. On the other hand, for the last 10 years, I have looked for Focomat 2c with practical level. Fortunately it must come to my home within this April to use with Leica M3 and Hasselblad 503CX. Watching the nice images from Elmars-san, I'm looking forward to my new hobby life with Digital & Analogue monochrome in my living city, Kyoto, and my born place, Kanazawa, in Japan. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Oier A. Posted April 16, 2023 Share #22 Posted April 16, 2023 Hi folks, No doubt that M11M is a huge camera, capable of amazing IQ. But i have the original MM, after trying the M246 and the Q2M… and wow. Its another breed. The rendering coupled with a v2 35 cron it’s almost film like. Has a mojo that I didn’t feel in any other monochrom. what do you think? O. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budfox Posted April 16, 2023 Share #23 Posted April 16, 2023 Do you mean the original MM (not the M11M)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oier A. Posted April 16, 2023 Share #24 Posted April 16, 2023 Thats it. O Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted April 16, 2023 Share #25 Posted April 16, 2023 I don't know how to wax so rhapsodically. I've been making B&W photographs for more than half a century, and enjoy seeing the world from this edge. You show some lovely photos. I also enjoy seeing the world in color, which is why I have other cameras with an RGB sensor. The M10-M sees the way I want a camera to see. I use it however seems best for the circumstances of my picture taking ... I don't lock myself to low ISOs or whatever. I use the optical viewfinder most of the time, unless I'm shooting with a 135mm or longer lens (or doing macro work) where the Visoflex 020 allows a better view of my subject, and accurate focus. I use B&W filters to adjust the spectral sensitivity and do whatever tonal separation work I want. It works well, I'm extremely happy with it. I'm sure the M11-M is another fine camera in the same vein, but since I've only just started using the M10-M (only a year now) I don't feel the need to jump to another new body. It would likely do the same thing for me, with all the new conveniences and features ... but the M10-M is enough. At least for now. G 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted April 16, 2023 Share #26 Posted April 16, 2023 On 4/14/2023 at 1:01 AM, elmars said: Much has been thought and written about the nature of black and white photography. World-renowned light artist Olafur Eliasson summed it up well for me (though not in a photographic context): "It turns out that in the absence of color, you perceive everything more intensely. You see more." Thank you for the review, Elmars. At the moment, we have an exhibition in Auckland Light from Tate. One of the most striking exhibits is Eliasson’s Yellow versus Purple. It is an installation, with a projector shining onto a suspended disk of glass. The disk has a coating. As it rotates, the light transmitted through the glass projects a yellow disk onto the gallery wall. Light reflected shines a purple disk which then runs around the gallery. It is simple, and striking. I only had my phone with me, so I can’t post the images. By reducing the projected image to just two colours, which change in intensity as the disk rotates, Eliasson challenges and alters perception - it is such a striking work. The exhibit finishes with his Stardust Particle - a huge sphere of steel and glass, also projected, but this time in monochrome. The whole point of a monochrome camera is less to do with its technical features, but how you think about an image at the time and what it stimulates in the viewer. Photography which fails to challenge, fails to have any relevance for me, no matter how technically perfect. If I make the choice to take my Monochrom, it is a conscious decision which affects what I photograph and how - I could fiddle with my iPhone, or adjust sliders in LightRoom with a colour image, but it isn’t the same. The discipline isn’t there, and the concept wasn’t in my mind when I took the photograph. I loved your Naples images - thank you for posting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom.w.bn Posted April 16, 2023 Share #27 Posted April 16, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree. And placing Femke Bol next to the Mona Lisa is quite charming 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtai Posted April 16, 2023 Share #28 Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) Everyone process their files differently. Some people move the Lr dehaze slider to the left for female portraits. I don’t know if this was the case but the skin tones from M11M photos posted so far in other threads look more like desaturated color files, lacking a full range of tones and mid tones on skin look plasticky. Edited April 16, 2023 by rtai 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 17, 2023 Share #29 Posted April 17, 2023 If one moves the structure slider in LR to the right, one gets differently looking skin tones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share #30 Posted April 17, 2023 vor 16 Stunden schrieb IkarusJohn: I loved your Naples images - thank you for posting. Thank You! vor 16 Stunden schrieb IkarusJohn: The whole point of a monochrome camera is less to do with its technical features, but how you think about an image at the time and what it stimulates in the viewer. Photography which fails to challenge, fails to have any relevance for me, no matter how technically perfect. If I make the choice to take my Monochrom, it is a conscious decision which affects what I photograph and how - I could fiddle with my iPhone, or adjust sliders in LightRoom with a colour image, but it isn’t the same. The discipline isn’t there, and the concept wasn’t in my mind when I took the photograph. Well said! I agree with all of this. If You have Netflix, there is an episode about Eliasson in the series Abstract: The Art of Design 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted April 17, 2023 Share #31 Posted April 17, 2023 On 4/16/2023 at 2:25 AM, Minochage said: Until now, I have used Leica M3 since 2011 with Leitz Valloy II and Focomat 1C. Yesterday, I ordered my first digital Leica, M11 Monochrom into Leica Store Kyoto. On the other hand, for the last 10 years, I have looked for Focomat 2c with practical level. Fortunately it must come to my home within this April to use with Leica M3 and Hasselblad 503CX. Watching the nice images from Elmars-san, I'm looking forward to my new hobby life with Digital & Analogue monochrome in my living city, Kyoto, and my born place, Kanazawa, in Japan. Looking forward to seeing your photo's 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted April 19, 2023 Share #32 Posted April 19, 2023 Fantastic photos Elmars. I absolutely love Monochrome and have always leaned towards it since the 80's when I was shooting film. That said, I never needed a camera to help me "see" in B&W. That's all in our heads. Some may be distracted by color, but no camera will take that away unless you manage to wear glasses that cancel color. It's not difficult to "see" luminosity, contrast, and texture over color gradients.... with the added benefit of being able to "see" when the color gradients themselves make the picture. Some images come to life in monochrome, and some in color. "WE" see in color. That's just the way it is. My Brother, John Nicholson, an incredible UK photographer, has an incredible affinity for Monochrome (he uses the M10M) He loves the M10M, and loves what it gives him. He also shoots other formats but takes his M10M, not because it helps him see in B&W, but because it gives him the images he wants. I may get an M11M because I like niche high-quality items that I can be confident far surpass my ability and talent. I like the best (not necessarily the most expensive) I can get. That said, I have the M11 and love it. I most often set the LCD on monochrome when I shoot or walk with it because I know I'll convert the images....How is that different to help me "see" in B&W than having an "only M" LCD? So for now I am going t be disciplined and stay with my gear. At some point, I'll rent or borrow an M11M and shoot with it for a couple of days. If the images sing to me I'll get it, if the camera sings to me I'll get it..... but I won't get it because it forces me to see in BW because it does not. It just limits my choices to only choose the B&W effective images and not take others. But there is magic in color too..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 19, 2023 Share #33 Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, S Maclean said: It just limits my choices to only choose the B&W effective images and not take others. That’s the point for some of us. It’s a b&w mindset, not about an ability to ‘see’ in b&w. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share #34 Posted April 19, 2023 vor 2 Stunden schrieb S Maclean: Fantastic photos Elmars. Thank You very much! vor 2 Stunden schrieb S Maclean: Some may be distracted by color, but no camera will take that away unless you manage to wear glasses that cancel color. It's not difficult to "see" luminosity, contrast, and texture over color gradients.... with the added benefit of being able to "see" when the color gradients themselves make the picture. People are different. I feel like I "see" with 50 mm when I have a 50 mm lens on the camera. When I change the focal length, something in my brain adjusts. It's the same with a monochrome or earlier with black and white film. I then see more subjects that are suitable for black and white. Of course, it's not quite as extreme as I'm describing here, but the direction is clearly going there. I envy you that you can visualize this without this crutch. vor 2 Stunden schrieb S Maclean: John Nicholson, an incredible UK photographer You are totally right! I especially love his portraits. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerrick10 Posted April 21, 2023 Share #35 Posted April 21, 2023 On 4/14/2023 at 7:29 AM, kirkmc said: I have a Q2M, and I love it. But I wonder if, with the much higher resolution we have now - 47 Mp for the Q, 60 Mp for the M11M - you can get pretty much the same quality of BW images without going monochrome only. I've got some pretty nice BW images with the 48 Mp iPhone 14 Pro, so maybe at these higher resolutions, the difference that existed with the early Leica monochrome cameras, at 16 20 24 Mp, simply isn't there any more. I'd love to see some comparisons of high resolution BW conversions vs. monochrom camera photos. Anyone pondering those questions should subscribe to reidreviews.com. He’s done the work to show us the benefits. For me, it’s not a question of resolution where the differences are profound. It’s in low light, high ISO work and the shadows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkmc Posted April 21, 2023 Share #36 Posted April 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, soccerrick10 said: Anyone pondering those questions should subscribe to reidreviews.com. He’s done the work to show us the benefits. For me, it’s not a question of resolution where the differences are profound. It’s in low light, high ISO work and the shadows. Agreed. But if you don't shoot in low light, high ISO, then the benefits are less obvious. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerrick10 Posted April 21, 2023 Share #37 Posted April 21, 2023 1 minute ago, kirkmc said: Agreed. But if you don't shoot in low light, high ISO, then the benefits are less obvious. Yes, that is my finding as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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