Buy q2 now or wait q3?

[Farrell Gallery]

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2 hours ago, Le Chef said:

Can’t do it because the current SL lenses have no Aperture rings. It would require significant and costly change to undo their approach to having all(?) controls on the camera body. The TL/CL/SL approach to soft controls works really well in practice even if I for one would also prefer a physical Aperture control ring.

That’s why I can’t really get on with the L Mount. As brilliant as I am sure they are. 

[wlaidlaw]

1 hour ago, Farrell Gallery said:

That’s why I can’t really get on with the L Mount. As brilliant as I am sure they are. 

The best camera in the L mount was the CL (the SL is good but too big and heavy with the 24-90). Leica decided in their wisdom to dump it and the folks like me who had bought a suite of APS C lenses in the bin. At least if I buy a Q3, it is a stand alone product with no lenses required. 

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[Driften]

4 hours ago, Le Chef said:

Can’t do it because the current SL lenses have no Aperture rings. It would require significant and costly change to undo their approach to having all(?) controls on the camera body. The TL/CL/SL approach to soft controls works really well in practice even if I for one would also prefer a physical Aperture control ring.

There is no reason to redesign the body to support aperture rings. On my CL and SL2-S I mostly used Sigma lens that had aperture rings and mostly left it on A and controlled the aperture from the body. I don't miss the ring on lens that don't have them, but it can be nice to have for fun. I also don't mind controlling my Q2 from the ring as it ads to its charm. I do wish they continued the CL and added IBIS. I loved the interface on it more than the SL2. Right now my only digital Leica is my Q2.

[costa43]

The SL series is big, heavy and expensive and there are many competitors out there who offer more to that market sector for less outlay. In my opinion, a smaller, lighter SL mount body, optimised for M glass could do well, a full frame CL basically. 

Edited March 31, 2023 by costa43

[dem331]

In my view the SL2 is perfect for M lenses, much cheaper than the M11 and not really very big or heavy (200 grams more than M11). Anything smaller will I think inevitably compromise EVF/ IBIS/ AF performance.
 

The issue is that once you have the SL2 it’s hard to resist sticking all those beautiful big lenses in front of it and the M lenses just sit on the shelf, even though they perform outstandingly. 

[Casey Jefferson]

Back on topic, I'm on my first day of my first trip with the Q2, which I left my M-P240 with the 35mm summicron at home, let me tell you it really doesn't take long to appreciate how much effort Leica put into the thoughts of compromises (still some weird limitations there, but then no camera is perfect).

Without going into details, anyone needed a do it all travel camera should look no further. It's a joy to shoot, and judging the way Leica tune their M11, I'm not betting my money on the Q3 if they render similarly, both color and details...

[Viv]

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The problem with the arrival of the Q3 is that it will render your Q2 obsolete.

This is done by Leica by software embedded in the firmware updates - every time you update your Q2 its performance will be degraded by 11.7%.

So be warned: DO NOT install updates to your Q2 after the Q3 is available!

[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, dem331 said:

Anything smaller will I think inevitably compromise EVF/ IBIS/ AF performance.

Sony disagrees with you

[dem331]

42 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Sony disagrees with you

They often do ….

[Simone_DF]

30 minutes ago, dem331 said:

They often do ….

And yet you offer no proof of the claims above, whereas Sony (but other brands too) proved you can have excellent AF, IBIS and EVF in a smaller package with no compromise, see the A1 or A7RV. Or, to stay within the L mount, the S5II. 

In short, FUD.

[dem331]

2 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

And yet you offer no proof of the claims above, whereas Sony (but other brands too) proved you can have excellent AF, IBIS and EVF in a smaller package with no compromise, see the A1 or A7RV. Or, to stay within the L mount, the S5II. 

In short, FUD.

I am sorry if I appeared flippant.  I am in no doubt that Sony does a lot of things better than Leica. 
 

But as regards to size the Sony is still a long way from a CL and not that far from the SL2.
 

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And, in any case, I was only talking about Leica in my original post. I do not see much point in reducing the size of the SL2 if you want to use SL lenses. So maybe we are back to discussing an M with EVF. 

[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, dem331 said:

I am sorry if I appeared flippant.  I am in no doubt that Sony does a lot of things better than Leica. 
But as regards to size the Sony is still a long way from a CL and not that far from the SL2.
And, in any case, I was only talking about Leica in my original post. I do not see much point in reducing the size of the SL2 if you want to use SL lenses. So maybe we are back to discussing an M with EVF. 

Not flippant at all!

But the Sony is 200g lighter and, size wise, definitely smaller. I had both a SL2 and a A7RIV at the same time, when you have both of them in each hand, you can definitely feel the difference. Eventually I said goodbye to Sony, but that's another story.

SL lenses are finally getting smaller and lighter. The new line of rebadged Summicrons is about 350g, and that's not to mention the excellent Sigmas that are basically the size of an average M lens.

The CL is a APS-C camera, the closest you can get to that size is the A7C (full frame) or one of the Fujis.

[Le Chef]

18 hours ago, Driften said:

There is no reason to redesign the body to support aperture rings.

That's not what I said. To have aperture rings on the lenses you would need to go through a considerable set of design and build changes to make it work.

[Driften]

12 hours ago, Le Chef said:

That's not what I said. To have aperture rings on the lenses you would need to go through a considerable set of design and build changes to make it work.

Why since Sigma lens with aperture rings already work on Leica L mount cameras. I used them on the CL and SL2-S. No build or design changes were needed to make it work.

[Le Chef]

32 minutes ago, Driften said:

Why since Sigma lens with aperture rings already work on Leica L mount cameras. I used them on the CL and SL2-S. No build or design changes were needed to make it work.

The poster wanted Aperture rings on L-mount lenses for the SL: currently they do not have Aperture rings. To add Aperture rings to L-mount lenses would require quite a lot of re-engineering. Is that so hard to understand?

[Chris W]

Huh? Confusing. Sigma are part of the L mount alliance and most of their L mount lenses have aperture rings. I have used mine on both the FP and the Leica SL (natively).

I had a CL and actually prefer images from the FP.

[reynoldsyoung]

 I think it is attributed to Budda…”The problem is, we think we have time.”  Get that Q2 and enjoy!!

[Le Chef]

4 hours ago, Chris W said:

Huh? Confusing. Sigma are part of the L mount alliance and most of their L mount lenses have aperture rings. I have used mine on both the FP and the Leica SL (natively).

I had a CL and actually prefer images from the FP.

I was being imprecise: Leica L-mount lenses; none of which have Aperture rings.

[Rdf]

On 3/31/2023 at 3:52 AM, Viv said:

The problem with the arrival of the Q3 is that it will render your Q2 obsolete.

This is done by Leica by software embedded in the firmware updates - every time you update your Q2 its performance will be degraded by 11.7%.

So be warned: DO NOT install updates to your Q2 after the Q3 is available!

Didn’t know that. Can you say more?  Thanks 

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[cirke]

3 minutes ago, Rdf said:

Didn’t know that. Can you say more?  Thanks 

what day is it today ?

Edited April 1, 2023 by cirke