Buy q2 now or wait q3?

[ianforber]

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3 hours ago, tedd said:

A friend of mine died suddenly and unexpectedly of heart failure at 34 two years ago next week. He'd bought a v4 50mm Summicron but was adapting it to his mirrorless Canon as he was waiting for the right deal on an M. It's only stuff and I try not to be too frivolous, but we have to enjoy life while we can!

Quite agree. I managed to give myself a bleed on the brain 18 months ago (long story). Afterwards, I decided to get myself a camera I wanted rather than hang around. Of course the Q2 was much newer then so less of an issue. I’ve carried my new policy forward though - bought an M11 in February 2022 😀

[Lucena]

On 3/2/2023 at 7:20 PM, Mikep996 said:

 

 My wife has pointed out on several occasions that I have purchased what I claimed to be "my last" motorcycle, "my last" camera, and "my last" guitar several times ...and still counting.   

Hope she will count many more, it proves you are alive and adapting !

[Lucena]

On 3/1/2023 at 5:31 PM, Bell said:

Hi all, I know this question has been asked before, but I am really struggling to make up my mind and would like to know what you guys think...

 

I know there are rumours that the q3 will be released this year. When do you think it will become obtainable for consumers and do you think it is worth the wait? 

Thank you in advance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depends on wha you wish, if you hope to find on the Q3 something the Q2 doesn't have. So you can wait for the Q3 release and then compare and decide !

[reynoldsyoung]

Looks like the Q3 will arrive in the May/June ’23 time from according to Leica Rumors.

[Le Chef]

18 hours ago, reynoldsyoung said:

Looks like the Q3 will arrive in the May/June ’23 time from according to Leica Rumors.

Leica Rumors are like a bad vacuum cleaner that sucks up anything that looks like clickbait (sorry, meant rumor). 

[wlaidlaw]

12 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

Leica Rumors are like a bad vacuum cleaner that sucks up anything that looks like clickbait (sorry, meant rumor). 

However in this case their information is consistent with that which my dealer (Ffordes) has gathered from conversations with Leica UK. Late spring to early summer release for Q3. 

Wilson

[pnwpotter]

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On 3/8/2023 at 7:33 AM, wlaidlaw said:

However in this case their information is consistent with that which my dealer (Ffordes) has gathered from conversations with Leica UK. Late spring to early summer release for Q3. 

Wilson

If you look at the sales promotions going on … Leica Store Miami, a few HK dealers, over the last few months there’s been either a reduction in price or value added (as in free battery included) promotions. Even the used Q-Q2 have had a price reduction over the last week. This says to me, having worked in the photo industry for thirty seven years, that they’re in clearing stock mode … even though the Q cameras need very little pushing. It’s most likely a month to two month push to get all the old stock out the door.

[Le Chef]

Could there be other reasons?

[cboy]

I wonder if anyone now with a Q2 would say it's inadequate camera so much they would feel the need to upgrade. But probably when the Q3 comes out theyll say it's the best Q to date (of course it is) and feel the need to upgrade. A sense of deja vu with other camera lines perhaps?? At the end of day getting the latest version won't by itself improve ones images. However it's horses for courses to how one spends their own money. 

[Olaf_ZG]

2 hours ago, cboy said:

I wonder if anyone now with a Q2 would say it's inadequate camera so much they would feel the need to upgrade. But probably when the Q3 comes out theyll say it's the best Q to date (of course it is) and feel the need to upgrade. A sense of deja vu with other camera lines perhaps?? At the end of day getting the latest version won't by itself improve ones images. However it's horses for courses to how one spends their own money. 

Well, to me, the 2 is better than 1 due to its weather resistance so to me it is the best q till now. How ever, the 3 might have another thing I still miss on the 2, so the 3 might be the best when it comes out…

[cirke]

wait for the Q3 to get a Q2 cheaper

[LocalHero1953]

10 hours ago, cboy said:

I wonder if anyone now with a Q2 would say it's inadequate camera so much they would feel the need to upgrade. But probably when the Q3 comes out theyll say it's the best Q to date (of course it is) and feel the need to upgrade. A sense of deja vu with other camera lines perhaps?? At the end of day getting the latest version won't by itself improve ones images. However it's horses for courses to how one spends their own money. 

The Q2 is a great camera and serves most of my needs. But I would still like it to have practical face recognition AF, and have noise levels and noise patterns equivalent to (or better than) my SL2-S at high ISO. If the Q3 has these, I will be into it in a flash.

Edited March 18, 2023 by LocalHero1953

[Alan Friedman]

35 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

The Q2 is a great camera and serves most of my needs. But I would still like it to have practical face recognition AF, and have noise levels and noise patterns equivalent to (or better than) my SL2-S at high ISO. If the Q3 has these, I will be into it in a flash.

Seems likely that the next generation will bring a step up in resolution with a 60mp sensor and noise handling similar to the Q2. I haven't studied the M11 threads - has high ISO shooting advanced with the larger sensor? The SL2-S was unusual for its drop down in resolution to obtain great results at high ISO. Maybe there is market for a Q3 in this flavor too? That would be interesting. The Sigma fp-L was remarkable when looking deep into the pixels recorded, but in low light it could disappoint. I am fortunate in that color always confuses me so the Q2M with its combination of rich dynamic range and noise handling at a 47mp is just about perfect. With a lifelong collection of M lenses, an M11 Monochrom might tempt me... 

Edited March 18, 2023 by Alan Friedman

[LocalHero1953]

1 hour ago, Alan Friedman said:

Seems likely that the next generation will bring a step up in resolution with a 60mp sensor and noise handling similar to the Q2.

If noise handling is not better, it wouldn't get my money. An increase in resolution from 47 to 60 would be unnoticeable (13% increase in linear resolution).

Edited March 18, 2023 by LocalHero1953

[SirBlunder]

3 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

If noise handling is not better, it wouldn't get my money. An increase in resolution from 47 to 60 would be unnoticeable (13% increase in linear resolution).

Can you explain what you mean by "linear resolution" in this context? 

[LocalHero1953]

7 minutes ago, SirBlunder said:

Can you explain what you mean by "linear resolution" in this context? 

Resolution in one direction: horizontal or vertical. If you have a sensor with 54mp (9000x6000) and double the number of pixels to 108mp, the sensor will be (about) 12600x8400. The linear resolution will have increased by only 12600/9000=1.4 times (actually 1.41414…..). 

[Mikep996]

I'm waiting for the Q3 to come out!  Then I can read reviews and figure out what they need to do to improve it for the pending Q4.

I have never figured out the mania for extremely high ISO capability.  Obviously it varies depending on a particular photog's style/interest but I don't think I've ever taken a pic of anything in the film or digital age that a F1.7 lens couldn't handle at ISO 800 (the highest film ISO I ever used).  Not saying that such photo ops don't exist for some people but they don't for me.

Although I like the larger megapixel numbers for the ability to crop on a fixed lens camera.  I also have never figured out the need for a lot of megapixels "to print poster-size enlargements."  The bigger the pic, the further the viewing distance.  A 3MP camera can easily make a 14x48 FOOT billboard that looks perfectly sharp at comfortable viewing distance.  Nobody puts their nose up to a print to view it.

[dancook]

On 3/28/2023 at 1:16 PM, Mikep996 said:

A 3MP camera can easily make a 14x48 FOOT billboard that looks perfectly sharp at comfortable viewing distance.  Nobody puts their nose up to a print to view it.

And yet the billboard printer, and subsequently my client, come back to me to say there is visible noise on a 50MP or 100MP image when zoomed in.

Sure I can fix that with Topaz or PureRaw (or actually changing the sharpen mask level) and you can walk in front of the billboard - but viewed properly you won't see it.

Edited March 29, 2023 by dancook

[Le Chef]

35 minutes ago, dancook said:

but viewed properly you won't see it.

Apocryphal story from the late 70’s - early 80’s. A well know oil brand with a T and X in its name were doing a 48 sheet billboard campaign. The shoot was in the Caribbean (Why? because the client and agency folks wanted a warm vacation like trip) on 5x4 with Hassleblads as backup. 

On viewing the trannies everything looked good. They printed a few test sheets and under a linen tester spotted a crew member relieving himself behind a palm tree.

Moral is if you want to find something, there will always be something that makes you dissatisfied.

 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Le Chef

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[wda]

40 minutes ago, dancook said:

And yet the billboard printer, and subsequently my client, come back to me to say there is visible noise on a 50MP or 100MP image when zoomed in.

Sure I can fix that with Topaz or PureRaw (or actually changing the sharpen mask level) and you can walk in front of the billboard - but viewed properly you won't see it.

Of course a printer might be obsessed by pixel-peeping, rather more than passing viewers of a bill-board.