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3 minutes ago, lmans said:

I find it interesting to see how utterly one dimensional people are on this Leica Forum....all lock-step.... not ready to leave the cradle of 'the norm'....Not willing to take chances...

 I have to chuckle.

 

You clearly have not read my posts, and calling me one-dimensional (etc) is offensive.

Do you not see that there is a difference between an effect that you choose to happen, and one that should not happen if not chosen?

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4 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

You clearly have not read my posts, and calling me one-dimensional (etc) is offensive.

Do you not see that there is a difference between an effect that you choose to happen, and one that should not happen if not chosen?

I never implied any one person...you or the guy next door. I merely stated a general observation. 

I agree with you as you state it here, but let's turn it around.

Do you not see that there is a difference between an effect that you choose NOT to happen (HUSS as an example)....and one that should happen IF CHOSEN (Myself)? 

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4 minutes ago, lmans said:

I never implied any one person...you or the guy next door. I merely stated a general observation.

Weasel words.

4 minutes ago, lmans said:

Do you not see that there is a difference between an effect that you choose NOT to happen (HUSS as an example)....and one that should happen IF CHOSEN (Myself)?

Yes. The difference is that neither film, camera nor lab are designed to scratch film or intended to.

You (and others) are welcome to scratch film as much as you like. But those buying film or a camera, or lab services, should expect them to be scratch-free by default. 

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6 minutes ago, lmans said:

I never implied any one person...you or the guy next door. I merely stated a general observation. 

I agree with you as you state it here, but let's turn it around.

Do you not see that there is a difference between an effect that you choose NOT to happen (HUSS as an example)....and one that should happen IF CHOSEN (Myself)? 

A camera that scratches film is faulty.  What, exactly, are you trying to discuss here? Your wriggling skills need improvement.

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ChatGPT, imagine Boris Johnson has been hired as a PR spokesman by Leica. Please explain why the Leica M6 scratching film is an advantage rather than a disadvantage in the style of  Boris Johnson speech.

'Well, hello there, my dear friends and fellow photography enthusiasts! Today, I want to talk to you about a little-known feature of the Leica M6 that I believe is an advantage, rather than a disadvantage. And that, my friends, is the scratching of the film.

Now, I know what you're thinking. "Scratching the film? Isn't that a bad thing?" But hear me out, my friends. This is a feature that only the Leica M6 can provide, and it gives your photographs a unique and authentic look that cannot be replicated by any other camera.

You see, my friends, the Leica M6 is not just a camera. It's a tool for self-expression. It's a means of capturing the world around us in a way that reflects our own personal style and vision. And the scratching of the film is just one way that the Leica M6 empowers us to do so.

Now, I know some of you may be worried about the potential damage that could be done to your precious photographs. But let me tell you, my friends, that these scratches are not defects. They are a feature. They add character and depth to your images, giving them a unique texture and tone that cannot be achieved with a perfectly pristine negative.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that the scratches on a Leica M6 photograph are like the wrinkles on a wise old face. They tell a story. They give us a glimpse into the history and soul of the image, reminding us that life is messy and imperfect, and that it's our imperfections that make us who we are.

So, my friends, embrace the scratches. Embrace the imperfections. And above all, embrace the Leica M6, the camera that allows us to capture the world in all its imperfect glory. Thank you, and happy shooting!'

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2 hours ago, Anbaric said:

ChatGPT, imagine Boris Johnson has been hired as a PR spokesman by Leica. Please explain why the Leica M6 scratching film is an advantage rather than a disadvantage in the style of  Boris Johnson speech.

'Well, hello there, my dear friends and fellow photography enthusiasts! Today, I want to talk to you about a little-known feature of the Leica M6 that I believe is an advantage, rather than a disadvantage. And that, my friends, is the scratching of the film.

Now, I know what you're thinking. "Scratching the film? Isn't that a bad thing?" But hear me out, my friends. This is a feature that only the Leica M6 can provide, and it gives your photographs a unique and authentic look that cannot be replicated by any other camera.

You see, my friends, the Leica M6 is not just a camera. It's a tool for self-expression. It's a means of capturing the world around us in a way that reflects our own personal style and vision. And the scratching of the film is just one way that the Leica M6 empowers us to do so.

Now, I know some of you may be worried about the potential damage that could be done to your precious photographs. But let me tell you, my friends, that these scratches are not defects. They are a feature. They add character and depth to your images, giving them a unique texture and tone that cannot be achieved with a perfectly pristine negative.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that the scratches on a Leica M6 photograph are like the wrinkles on a wise old face. They tell a story. They give us a glimpse into the history and soul of the image, reminding us that life is messy and imperfect, and that it's our imperfections that make us who we are.

So, my friends, embrace the scratches. Embrace the imperfections. And above all, embrace the Leica M6, the camera that allows us to capture the world in all its imperfect glory. Thank you, and happy shooting!'

You are  correct.... nice thinking, well thought out...bravo man.... ....(Boris Johnson or not:-)    ) 

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20 hours ago, lmans said:

I never implied any one person...you or the guy next door. I merely stated a general observation. 

I agree with you as you state it here, but let's turn it around.

Do you not see that there is a difference between an effect that you choose NOT to happen (HUSS as an example)....and one that should happen IF CHOSEN (Myself)? 

So you actually deliberately scratch your film?  I'm curious, how do you do that and how do you control the size/quantity etc of your film scratching?  Can you post a pic that you took that you intentionally scratched your film for?  I'd like to see the effect you are going for.

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On 2/20/2023 at 5:18 PM, Huss said:

Imagine how different 'my' story would be if Leica just did the right thing.  You buy a new camera that is defective out of the box.  Leica exchanges it immediately for another.  End of story.  Everyone feels good about Leica.

Instead.  You buy a new camera that is defective out of the box. Leica does not exchange it but holds onto it for 6 weeks.  Then returns it not fixed.  Then has it for another 6 weeks now (and counting) with the excuse that parts to repair it are unavailable.

All Leica had to do was the right thing, and this would have been a non-story.  But for some reason they cannot bring themselves to do that.

And when Leica says it is a batch of defective pressure plates, this is not a one off.  I bet you most people who have a defective one have no idea their camera is defective because there sadly is a belief amongst many that scratches are a part of the film 'look'.

Yeah… they exchanged 3 MA’s for me and all had faults.. The end of the story was I refunded a 16k order and didn’t even get an apology or “We will rectify this” email after emailing head office 4 times on the issue. They don’t give a toss about their customers when they have been caught out for abysmal QC issues and useless customer service. Even the Berlin store representative said on the phone “Oh yes we have been having a lot of trouble with analogue bodies for a while now” 

3 in a row… MAJOR issues more like. Chimpanzees putting €5300 cameras together in Wetzlar it seems 

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@lmansSo you actually deliberately scratch your film?  I'm curious, how do you do that and how do you control the size/quantity etc of your film scratching?  Can you post a pic that you took that you intentionally scratched your film for?  I'd like to see the effect you are going for.

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5 hours ago, Huss said:

@lmansSo you actually deliberately scratch your film?  I'm curious, how do you do that and how do you control the size/quantity etc of your film scratching?  Can you post a pic that you took that you intentionally scratched your film for?  I'd like to see the effect you are going for.

Sure… look at my square space site and u shall find 

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14 minutes ago, lmans said:

Sure… look at my square space site and u shall find 

Can you link to specific pics showing the intentional scratching?

how do you do that and how do you control the size/quantity etc of your film scratching? 

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1 hour ago, Huss said:

Can you link to specific pics showing the intentional scratching?

how do you do that and how do you control the size/quantity etc of your film scratching? 

An artist who paints isn't always in control of their motions/marks...they let the creativity flow, thus making one painting different from all and not to be duplicated. Same with this Huss... The same. 

Hey peruse..... seek em out. 

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3 hours ago, lmans said:

An artist who paints isn't always in control of their motions/marks...they let the creativity flow, thus making one painting different from all and not to be duplicated. Same with this Huss... The same. 

Hey peruse..... seek em out. 

Sounds like someone who has a scratching M-A.  But is in denial.

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1 hour ago, Huss said:

Sounds like someone who has a scratching M-A.  But is in denial.

If I had a scratching MA, I would have sent back to Leica Miami a few years ago:)… sorry Hus, I not in same category as you. So sad…. I would have loved to complain about like you have. 

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2 hours ago, lmans said:

If I had a scratching MA, I would have sent back to Leica Miami a few years ago:)… sorry Hus, I not in same category as you. So sad…. I would have loved to complain about like you have. 

There is no fun in complaining about Leica. I don't know what to love about paying a lot of money for a faulty product and receiving poor service.

Everyone would love to have a perfect Leica and praise how happy they are. But some aren't so lucky:) 

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12 hours ago, lmans said:

If I had a scratching MA, I would have sent back to Leica Miami a few years ago:)… sorry Hus, I not in same category as you. So sad…. I would have loved to complain about like you have. 

Sure Mr "I like scratches on my film".

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Perfect Film Scratches Recipe

  • Grow a stout mustache or beard
  • In the darkroom, remove film from canister 
  • Chew on film from one end to the other
  • Develop film as usual

Icing directions

  • Send camera and negatives to Leica and request a repair
  • Ice with free new pressure plate
  • Allow to cool
  • Repeat every few years

 

 

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