Jon Warwick Posted March 23, 2023 Share #381 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 27 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: If you want a better housing and sharper corners, I personally think the money is probably better spent on a used copy of one of the APO Summicrons, +1 from my personal perspective, and as an anecdote I managed to recently find a (very very clean) copy of the SL 75mm for just £2k at a major retailer here. That's perhaps an abnormally low price, but even so there are quite a lot of SL APOs around in the used market, and for me personally they’re attractive (versus Ms and also new SL ASPHs) given the exceptional image quality on offer. The downside is the SL APOs also being bigger, heavier etc - but that's not an issue for me (compared to my large format film system, a bit of extra weight for an SL APO seems a bit of a breeze)! Edited March 23, 2023 by Jon Warwick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thatkatmat Posted March 23, 2023 Share #382 Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) I like the APO's, I've owned them all, the 75 and 90-280 were my favorites. I currently own a 50mm. But, just because a lens isn't quite as corrected as another doesn't make corrected version "better", it just makes it cleaner and different. I actually prefer a little CA in my bokeh, I think it gives it character. I actually like a little glow as long as the center gets sharp. What Im saying is we all have different likes. I don't really "LOVE" the APO's. They're too big (for me) and stupid expensive. I don't like the plastic Panasonic's either. They feel like old Canon plastic lenses. The Sigma's are nice, but I guess I'm weird, I don't like an aperture ring on my AF lenses and...... I know i'm not supposed to care, but I don't like the styling either. I bought the 35 and 50 ASPH's having owned all the others and am very happy with my choice. The new lenses are awesome. I could care less who made the design...I mean, really, what do i care? I don't. I "do" know that they are made in a Leica Factory in Portugal and they feel exactly like my APO's but 1/2 the weight and focus faster, are nearly as sharp in the center and I can bring them out in the Northwest weather without worrying. Not to mention they're 1/3 the price of the APO's Anyways, after reading through this thread, It's a little humorous to read the comments from all the experts in image quality and lens design.... Relax....It just means more choices for idiots like me who aren't as smart as you. Edited March 23, 2023 by thatkatmat 14 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobra Posted March 23, 2023 Share #383 Posted March 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, thatkatmat said: I like the APO's, I've owned them all, the 75 and 90-280 were my favorites. I currently own a 50mm. But, just because a lens isn't quite as corrected as another doesn't make corrected version "better", it just makes it cleaner and different. I actually prefer a little CA in my bokeh, I think it gives it character. I actually like a little glow as long as the center gets sharp. What Im saying is we all have different likes. I don't really "LOVE" the APO's. They're too big (for me) and stupid expensive. I don't like the plastic Panasonic's either. They feel like old Canon plastic lenses. The Sigma's are nice, but I guess I'm weird, I don't like an aperture ring on my AF lenses and...... I know i'm not supposed to care, but I don't like the styling either. I bought the 35 and 50 ASPH's having owned all the others and am very happy with my choice. The new lenses are awesome. I could care less who made the design...I mean, really, what do i care? I don't. I "do" know that they are made in a Leica Factory in Portugal and they feel exactly like my APO's but 1/2 the weight and focus faster, are nearly as sharp in the center and I can bring them out in the Northwest weather without worrying. It's just a little humorous to me to read these comments from everyone who are experts in image quality and lens design....Relax....More choices for idiots like me who aren't as smart as you. Great response! Yes, I feel like there are clearly others who do know a lot more about lenses and the details about what properties make one better than another. But, I relate to your post - if people like you and me go out and take pictures with cameras and lenses that deliver images that we like the look of, and that we are happy with... well, then, call me an idiot too! Brad 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatkatmat Posted March 24, 2023 Share #384 Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) A few from my morning hike with the SL2 / SL50 ASPH Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 24, 2023 by thatkatmat 15 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4735227'>More sharing options...
mark turner Posted March 24, 2023 Share #385 Posted March 24, 2023 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! sl2s summ 50mmf2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! sl2s summ 50mmf2 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4735367'>More sharing options...
TAFFY Posted March 24, 2023 Share #386 Posted March 24, 2023 3 hours ago, thatkatmat said: A few from my morning hike with the SL2 / SL50 ASPH Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Nice images, thanks also for sharing your perspective. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planetwide Posted March 24, 2023 Share #387 Posted March 24, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 15 hours ago, thatkatmat said: I like the APO's, I've owned them all, the 75 and 90-280 were my favorites. I currently own a 50mm. But, just because a lens isn't quite as corrected as another doesn't make corrected version "better", it just makes it cleaner and different. I actually prefer a little CA in my bokeh, I think it gives it character. I actually like a little glow as long as the center gets sharp. What Im saying is we all have different likes. I don't really "LOVE" the APO's. They're too big (for me) and stupid expensive. I don't like the plastic Panasonic's either. They feel like old Canon plastic lenses. The Sigma's are nice, but I guess I'm weird, I don't like an aperture ring on my AF lenses and...... I know i'm not supposed to care, but I don't like the styling either. I bought the 35 and 50 ASPH's having owned all the others and am very happy with my choice. The new lenses are awesome. I could care less who made the design...I mean, really, what do i care? I don't. I "do" know that they are made in a Leica Factory in Portugal and they feel exactly like my APO's but 1/2 the weight and focus faster, are nearly as sharp in the center and I can bring them out in the Northwest weather without worrying. Not to mention they're 1/3 the price of the APO's Anyways, after reading through this thread, It's a little humorous to read the comments from all the experts in image quality and lens design.... Relax....It just means more choices for idiots like me who aren't as smart as you. Good post, you know what you like and want in a lens. I am the same way, but I love the APO's and I hate CA in my bokeh. I own old lenses, and like their character, but I always process out as much CA as I can. So it's "horses for courses" so to speak. Personally, I feel the only bad lens is the one that 'you the individual' don't care for, and consequently it sits unused - something that we have all done at one time or another. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFFY Posted March 24, 2023 Share #388 Posted March 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, Planetwide said: Personally, I feel the only bad lens is the one that 'you the individual' don't care for, and consequently it sits unused - something that we have all done at one time or another. Very true. Regardless of objective quality, it's a bad buy if it isn't used. Oddly, despite all it's objective flaws, my "worst lens", the VM Nokton Classic 35 v1 sees a lot of action vs my other M lenses whereas I have a ZM 35 C-Biogon which I haven't really bonded with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvons Posted March 24, 2023 Share #389 Posted March 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, Planetwide said: Personally, I feel the only bad lens is the one that 'you the individual' don't care for, and consequently it sits unused - something that we have all done at one time or another. Good sentiment. I don't suffer from GAS; on the contrary, I can stick to my lenses for decades. A few years ago, I did another project with my Zeiss Super Speeds (cine lenses from the 70ies/80ies) that I have owned for over a decade. At some point, I concluded that I didn't like them anymore, even though they are legends in cineland. I got annoyed by their magenta cast and their flatness. So I sold them. As I down/sidegrade my gear to stills photography and mirrorless filmmaking, I acquired a set of R primes. Over time, I learned that the boring, regular 50mm Summicron R is a favourite of mine. Thus I will sell the Elmarit macro, as it's not a "real" macro, and the 60mm is too close to the 50mm Summicron (but it does have an extraordinary character). I will keep the 50mm Summilux, though, as it renders very differently from the Summicron at full aperture, and there are use cases, albeit relatively rare. I will keep the 28mm Elmarit R and 35mm Summicron R as I need that focal length for storytelling/filmmaking. But the 90mm Elmarit I own can let go. I'm considering letting go of the brilliant 24-90 zoom, as I figured my journalist projects don't need a fast-paced zoom workhorse with that considerable footprint. A 35mm and occasionally a 50mm will suffice. In that regard, I can see the new Summciron SL glass as a good fit. However, I'm used to manual focusing. And since I might add an M6 for B/W, I might swap the 24-90 for 35mm and 50mm Summicron Ms. All of that reshuffling is happening because I have a limited experience in stills photography and am learning; hence most of my purchases are based on the anticipated use cases, which sometimes don't materialise as expected. Ultimately, I plan to end up with very basic gear that covers my colour and B&W stills photography needs and my filmmaking needs for small projects. These lenses will be the best lenses I own - for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielJr Posted March 26, 2023 Share #390 Posted March 26, 2023 Just tried the new 35mmf2 I can't lie guys I love it. Also it might be my favorite focal length to use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onboardatlast Posted March 27, 2023 Share #391 Posted March 27, 2023 On 3/22/2023 at 4:58 PM, TAFFY said: Thanks for sharing your inputs on the Sigma zoom. Coming from an M system even the "smaller" 24-70 of Leica and Sigma feel large & heavy. Trying to keep the kit as light as possible so I can carry it around without feeling like I should have taken my M instead. Or then again maybe I'll get used to it. But I'm happy about the release of these new SL primes because they feel quite small and handy. Taffy, have you bought into the SL line or are you still looking? I've been an M user for the last fours years (still am) but decided to get an SL2 so I could make better use of a noctilux. But what I have found and did not expect is that having both the SL and M cameras has made it easier for me to choose the 'right' camera for the job/mood. Before I was trying to get my Ms to do everything, from street to landscape to action, which was sort of enjoyable because it was challenging. But then I found that I would sometimes take less photos because it was such hard work and sometimes changing lenses all the time became a pain! But with the SL2 I have comitted to getting the best zooms I can afford which I now use for action and landscape and this frees up the m for street etc and I no longer have to try and make the M do stuff it was probably never intended to do. Now I find it's an easy choice which camera and lens(s) to take with me. Its helped me enjoy my Ms more and remind me why I got them in the first place. This might be obvious to others, but it was not what I expected! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJS73 Posted March 27, 2023 Share #392 Posted March 27, 2023 Have both SL2S and M, but choice between them is more mood than utility-based. Today I went to the store to check out the new summicron-sl 50 - I found it to be OK as expected, but as it sat there surrounded by M lenses I really felt much more drawn to those little jewels, pricy as they are. For the time being, at least, I'll remain content with the SL 24-70 while I'm feeding the little M11 with a few more lenses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S/W Posted March 27, 2023 Share #393 Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) Since I have the new Leica Summicron 2.0/50 Asph, I am always excited about the new, especially what it delivers in conjunction with the SL2-S at open aperture. Even if the Apo version will certainly be a bit better again, it is completely sufficient for me in conjunction with the 24 MP, especially in conjunction with the size and weight. IAs I could see it above on the SL2 from Thatkatmat, it also seems to fit. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica SL2-S * Leica Summicron SL 2.0/50 Asph * ISO 100 * 1/50 sec * f/2.0 * C1 Pro 23 * SEP3 Edited March 27, 2023 by S/W 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Leica SL2-S * Leica Summicron SL 2.0/50 Asph * ISO 100 * 1/50 sec * f/2.0 * C1 Pro 23 * SEP3 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4737786'>More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted March 29, 2023 Share #394 Posted March 29, 2023 I received my copy of the SL Summicron 50 Asph last night and my first impression when picking the lens up it seemed a bit light. Not that this is a problem however just an observation on its construction perhaps? It seemed much lighter than my 90 Apo M lens. Anyway it worked seamlessly with my new SL2 and very quick with focussing - not that I am one to assess such things being my second only auto focus SL lens. I would be happy to walk around with this lens on the SL or SL2 all day. Detail is crisp and shooting at f2 will be enjoyable. This is my morning smoothie - Banana and Blueberry Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4738580'>More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted March 29, 2023 Share #395 Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) The New Camera smell emerged from a giant box with the SL2 and SL 50 Summicron Asph. The shipping of lens and camera together is one way for Leica to beat the tariff imposed on the sales of cameras in the US. The delivery of these kits is only a mear trickle from what I heard at a Leica event in my City last night. That is why I took the very good offer from my local Leica store and Leica Australia to take the SL2 instead of waiting for the SL2s. Although a little disappointed that the SL2s wasn't available I am also liking the resolution and files from the SL2. I think the SL 50 Summicron will be a general walk around lens when I am not seriously trying to achieve a certain style as I might with my M lenses and the Apo 35 SL, perhaps. I am very happy how things were handled by Leica Australia and Camera Electronics (Leica Store Perth) and especially the manager of the Perth store Robin. SL2 with SUMMICRON-SL 50mm f/2 ASPH. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 29, 2023 by Ken Abrahams 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4738587'>More sharing options...
leitztozeiss Posted March 29, 2023 Share #396 Posted March 29, 2023 I have been pleased with the 35 Summicron-SL ASPH that came with my SL2-S kit. Here are some pics from our local Renaissance Festival over the weekend. All have some amount of processing, and some are cropped, using PS Mobile on my iPhone. I find transfer from camera to phone via Fotos, processing with PS, and sharing from phone to social media quite efficient. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 14 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4739317'>More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted April 3, 2023 Share #397 Posted April 3, 2023 50 SL Summicron Asph, light as a feather and lightening fast focussing Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4742470'>More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted April 3, 2023 Share #398 Posted April 3, 2023 Virtually SOOC 50 SL Summicron Asph Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4742474'>More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted April 3, 2023 Share #399 Posted April 3, 2023 50 SL Summicron Asph with SL2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/365505-leica-352-and-502-sl-asph-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=4742492'>More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted April 3, 2023 Share #400 Posted April 3, 2023 Meanwhile, Sigma has released the 50mm f/2.0, and it looks like a winner. https://dustinabbott.net/2023/04/sigma-50mm-f2-dg-dn-c-iseries-review/ TLDR: 350g, metal barrel with aperture ring, 58mm filter, 640$, more compact than the other two. So basically if you don't like the plastic feeling of the Panasonic and don't want to spend 2000€ for a mere rebadge, the Sigma looks like the best option, imho, but of course needs and priorities may be different for other people and that is fine too. However, the Summicrons are a good deal when purchased as a kit, since the price reduction is substantial. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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