SL3 Rumors

[Sohail]

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Any rumours of an SL3-S?

[BernardC]

9 hours ago, chrismuc said:

Leica SL2 shows with 6,1 stops DR about one stop more noise than the other cameras. Which is strange because the sensor is equivalent to the one in the Panasonic SR1.

PtP relies on user-submitted data. Sampling errors should cancel-out as the number of tests goes up. They probably don't have many SL2 tests.

I don't recall reading on this forum that the S1r has more DR than the SL2. We would have heard about it by now.

[chrismuc]

21 hours ago, chrismuc said:

Examining https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm measurements of sensors at ISO 3200 we see:

Leica M11 and Sony A7RVI/V (equivalent sensors), Panasonic S1R and Leics SL2s all have very similar DR of 7,0-7,3 stops.

Leica SL2 shows with 6,1 stops DR about one stop more noise than the other cameras. Which is strange because the sensor is equivalent to the one in the Panasonic SR1.

At base ISO the DR of the Leica SL2 and the Panasonic S1R are both on the same level of 11,2-11,4 stops. The Leica SL2 implementation only falls behind at higher ISO. Seems Leica was not able to take full advantage of that (Towerjazz) sensor design.

<photonstophotos by users> and <photonstophotos by DXO> show that the S1R low light performance is on par with the M11 at high ISO

the SL2 is one stop below at <photonstophotos by users>

I see only SL2 user arguing about the sub-optimal low ISO performance, not S1R users

I have the S1R and the GFX100 which on pixel level or in 35mm mode is equivalent to the M11 sensor

I will make a comparison these days and report 🙂

 

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[Gavin G]

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Well, with that price tag - it will definitely be without me. SL2 price was ca. 6300€ when introduced, 8000€ is completely outrageous.
I will probably see to find a nicely priced SL2-s as a backup for my SL2 instead.
 

[helged]

19 hours ago, Sohail said:

Any rumours of an SL3-S?

Add me to one that is potentially more interested in SL3-S than SL3. To the extent past is indicative of the future, we have to wait 1+ year to see SL3-S (for SL2 and SL2-S; Nov 1990 vs Dec 2020; but releases may also depend on what Panasonic is doing with their Lumix FF-bodies, since Leica and Panasonic share parts of the technology).

[Simone_DF]

At 8K I think I'll just pass and get a nice Panasonic S5II instead, especially because I'm not a fan of that 60mp sensor

Edited January 15, 2024 by Simone_DF

[frame-it]

19 minutes ago, helged said:

Add me to one that is potentially more interested in SL3-S than SL3. To the extent past is indicative of the future, we have to wait 1+ year to see SL3-S (for SL2 and SL2-S; Nov 1990 vs Dec 2020; but releases may also depend on what Panasonic is doing with their Lumix FF-bodies, since Leica and Panasonic share parts of the technology).

you mean nov 2019 vs dec 2020?

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5 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

At 8K I think I'll just pass and get a nice Panasonic S5II instead, especially because I'm not a fan of that 60mp sensor

doubt it will be 8k, probably $6000~

[Gavin G]

34 minutes ago, helged said:

Add me to one that is potentially more interested in SL3-S than SL3. To the extent past is indicative of the future, we have to wait 1+ year to see SL3-S (for SL2 and SL2-S; Nov 1990 vs Dec 2020; but releases may also depend on what Panasonic is doing with their Lumix FF-bodies, since Leica and Panasonic share parts of the technology).

If crop sensor for SL3 like M11, maybe one model only?

[JohnathanLovm]

4 hours ago, Gavin G said:

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I doubt we can get any info from you, I hope it’s not just rehousing of Q3.

[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, helged said:

Add me to one that is potentially more interested in SL3-S than SL3. To the extent past is indicative of the future, we have to wait 1+ year to see SL3-S (for SL2 and SL2-S; Nov 1990 vs Dec 2020; but releases may also depend on what Panasonic is doing with their Lumix FF-bodies, since Leica and Panasonic share parts of the technology).

You are assuming there will be a -S variant. With the ability to downsize images in camera, perhaps we will not see it. 

[helged]

2 hours ago, Gavin G said:

If crop sensor for SL3 like M11, maybe one model only?

1 hour ago, Simone_DF said:

You are assuming there will be a -S variant. With the ability to downsize images in camera, perhaps we will not see it. 

Could very well be. SL2-S has major advantages (for me) relative to SL2: Particularly better shadow recovery (plus, for my teste, better colours, but that's something sensor-specific, clearly).

[Simone_DF]

19 minutes ago, helged said:

Could very well be. SL2-S has major advantages (for me) relative to SL2: Particularly better shadow recovery (plus, for my teste, better colours, but that's something sensor-specific, clearly).

Yes. I have a SL2-S too. I won't get a SL3 with that sensor. To me the SL2-S has better colours and more latitude in the shadows, it would be a downgrade

[Olaf_ZG]

There will be many posts: what should I buy as backup, the SL2 or the SL2s, as may be many wont upgrade.

[lencap]

Back late last year, Leica had incentives on the SL2-S Bundle, which offered the SL2-S camera including the newly launched SL 50mm F/2.0 Summicron ASPH lens for $5,795.  That was a saving of $1,200 on separately priced SL2-S body and Lens.  In addition to the $1,200 bundle discount Leica offered a $1,300 rebate that could be applied to the bundle bringing the cost down to $4,595, plus tax if applicable for the combo.  Compared to the list price for separate items, the bundle/rebate combination saved $2,500, a 35% discount on brand new Leica gear with a Leica warranty.  I bought that bundle, and considered it a gift from Leica.  The 35mm lens is roughly $300 more in the bundle compared to the 50mm - still an amazing value.

Just yesterday, Leica Rumors suggested that the SL3 update will be launched in late March at a price around $8K:  https://leicarumors.com/2024/01/14/leica-sl3-rumored-to-be-announced-on-march-21-22-with-a-price-tag-under-e8000.aspx/   From my perspective that makes the SL2, SL2-S platform a great bargain.  

It's even more attractive now for SL2 buyers with the $1,500 rebate program Leica is offering until January 31.   The SL2 with the 50mm Leica SL Summicron f/2.0 ASPH lens is bundled at $7,500, a $1,400 discount from the items priced separately.   Including the $1,500 Leica rebate the price falls to $6,000.  That compares to the list price of each item of $8,900, a 32% discount.  That's another gift from Leica, and since the SL2-S no longer has a rebate from Leica the better deal seems to me to buy the SL2 bundle kit with the rebate before the end of January.

Even if you find that you can't live without the SL3, at the current pricing there doesn't seem to be a large risk buying the new combo.  If you subtract the $1900 cost of the 50mm lens, you're getting the SL2 body for just over $4,000.  That's a lot of camera for the price, and if the Leica rumors are correct, that will be less than half of the price of the SL3 body.  That's a hard offer to turn down.  KEH is offering a "Like New Minus" SL2-S for $3,800 right now, that further suggests that resale risk is not extreme.  

One final point - I bought a used "near mint" SL 601 from a local AD for a bit under $2K before buying the SL2-S bundle.  That camera was, and still is a wonderful tool, and it included built in GPS which isn't standard on the SL2/SL2S.  I resold my 601 after buying the bundle for what I paid for it - it seems that every camera that gets discontinued begins to look better in retrospect.  People were talking about the "more organic" look of the SL 601 sensor compared to the "digital look" of the SL2/SL2S sensor.  That may or not be accurate, or even relevant, for you, but it does suggest that like the Leica M11 there could be a lot of "contrary opinion" about whether or not the SL3 will actually be as widely acknowledged as being a worthwhile upgrade to the SL2/SL2S.  So, buying the SL2 bundle with rebate seems, to me, to be even a lower risk purchase than the SL2-S bundle had been.  Does everyone really want a 60MP sensor, likely tilting screen, and other changes, at twice the price of the current camera?

If the pricing of Leica M10/M10P/M10-R models is a guide, the answer is "NO", the older models are still in great demand, with many people preferring them to the newest and greatest M11.  I suspect that will also be the case with the SL3 versus the current SL2/SL2S line.  Of course the initial demand for any new Leica will create wait lists and delays as production ramps up, but during that time undoubtedly some reviews will be less than stellar on the SL3, and people will be looking to get a SL2/SL2-S before supply dries up.

 

 

Edited January 15, 2024 by lencap

[Sohail]

3 minutes ago, lencap said:

Just yesterday, Leica Rumors suggested that the SL3 update will be launched in late March at a price around $8K:  https://leicarumors.com/2024/01/14/leica-sl3-rumored-to-be-announced-on-march-21-22-with-a-price-tag-under-e8000.aspx/   From my perspective that makes the SL2, SL2-S platform a great bargain.  

Actually, it's 8K Euros! So more!

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[LBJ2]

1 hour ago, Sohail said:

Actually, it's 8K Euros! So more!

"...with a price tag under €8K "