SL3 Rumors

[Simone_DF]

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Just now, BernardC said:

They have several remote power options now, including a dummy battery (which is what many many people use for video), so that's a positive.

Yeah, so very useful from a company that prides itself to offer the best UX / UI. Going around with a battery pack plugged in a camera via cable is the true das Wesentliche spirit 

2 minutes ago, BernardC said:

We'll have to see some results for IBIS. I know Sony rates theirs at 8 stops, or something like that, but their video results are absolutely useless. You get large corrections every second or two, which is worse than camera shake. The IBIS on previous Leica and Panasonic models was good in video (meaning that you could actually use it!), so it's fair to assume that this one is too. I've only watched Kai's review, and the video IBIS seemed fine.

Yes, agree with you, the SL2-S has better IBIS than a Sony in real life, but my concern is that on the SL3 it actually dropped from the SL2, rather than stay the same or increase. FYI the S5II is rated 6.5

[BernardC]

1 minute ago, Simone_DF said:

Going around with a battery pack plugged in a camera via cable is the true das Wesentliche spirit 

It's a necessity with any hybrid camera, if you want to do long takes. You can still do shorter takes with the regular battery. Having a dummy battery option is a nice feature, hopefully you can connect it to a V-mount battery with a simple barrel plug.

[LocalHero1953]

Jono Slack says that IBIS is the same as in the SL2, so its performance is well known (and good, whatever the numbers are).

For video, mains power is necessary for me. The SL2-S will run for 80mins, which is good for a short play, but not enough for a 'normal' one. I would like more battery life for video, but that is not a deal-breaker for me. The Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6k will run for about 55 mins on one battery (its earlier models were much worse, like many video cameras), but I add a battery grip if necessary - with two extra batteries. I would do the same with a SL3 - if I had one.

Edited March 7, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[tomasis7]

17 minutes ago, MediaFotografie said:

and you have to consider: SL2(S) with old battery BP-SC4, SL3 with the more powerful BP-SC6; that's not so funny 

more MPx and bigger sensor/power.. Therefore more energy

[Geoff C. Bassett]

10 minutes ago, BernardC said:

They have several remote power options now, including a dummy battery (which is what many many people use for video), so that's a positive.

We'll have to see some results for IBIS. I know Sony rates theirs at 8 stops, or something like that, but their video results are absolutely useless. You get large corrections every second or two, which is worse than camera shake. The IBIS on previous Leica and Panasonic models was good in video (meaning that you could actually use it!), so it's fair to assume that this one is too. I've only watched Kai's review, and the video IBIS seemed fine.

Rolling shutter is what it is. No whip pans, I guess. Whether or not that's a positive thing is up-to you. I wonder if they could implement a feature that disables zooming in videos too?😀

I am very happy that they are releasing an official dummy battery, will definitely be purchasing it for my SL2. 

[tomasis7]

Just now, LocalHero1953 said:

Jono Slack says that IBIS is the same as in the SL2, so its performance is well known (and good, whatever the numbers are).

 

not sure... Leica Official from Youtube says the IBIS is re-designed to accommodate the smaller size of the body. 

[tomasis7]

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A dummy battery is nice for Vlog and an external power bank. I will get it. 

[Smogg]

Was there any point in reducing the size of the camera if the lenses for which SL series cameras are bought are still huge? Or was the goal to attract the attention of those who use M lenses?

[Simone_DF]

19 minutes ago, Smogg said:

Was there any point in reducing the size of the camera if the lenses for which SL series cameras are bought are still huge? Or was the goal to attract the attention of those who use M lenses?

Perhaps the next step is a series of smaller, in house lenses. Alternatively, there's always Sigma. 

[Carrot]

Had a play with it for an hour or so, going through settings etc.  Some initial observations on ergonomics and setting up:

• Customisation of the 8 Control Centre icons is a bit limited to just 11 options, they need to allow more choices now that the Favorites Menu has gone (The 11 options are : White Balance – Format Storage – iDR – Flash Settings – Sensor Format – Image Overlay – User Profile – Perspective Control – Shutter Type – Aspect Ratio – AF Profiles)
• It blacked out while I was in the middle of making all my settings, and after having created a Profile and saving some settings to it.  Battery in/out brought it back to life, but the Profile I'd saved was not there, it said Unused.
• Turns on quickly when pressing start, faster than my SL2-S does, so no issue there.  But having to hold the button for several seconds to turn it off is already becoming irritating.
• Being able to set the three dials differently for AF and MF lenses might be useful, choices being aperture, speed, iso, exp comp.
• Function called Group Display Mode, haven't tried it yet but it looks like it presents similar images together in Playback, could be useful.
• If you are in AUTO ISO mode, turning the dial assigned to ISO will not change ISO, it's locked into Auto.  You have to go into the Control Center to exit Auto ISO first.  If you have an ISO dial, why not include Auto in the sequence 50-100000.
• I have reasonably large hands (longish fingers) but always found reaching the two front buttons on the SL2-S a bit of a stretch, but easier on the SL3.
• But, with SL APO lenses my initial reaction is that the balance of the camera is a lot better with the SL2-S.  The SL2-S being slightly taller than the SL3 and thinner front to back, means it fits better into the base of my thumb.  I'm finding at the moment that I feel the SL3 trying to pull away from my hand a bit more.  Not a problem with M lenses fitted.

[Smogg]

4 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Perhaps the next step is a series of smaller, in house lenses. Alternatively, there's always Sigma. 

Does it make sense to buy SL to use with Sigma lenses? Then it’s better to buy a much more functional camera from Canon, Nikon, Sony. The main advantage of the Leica SL is its extraordinary quality lenses.

[BernardC]

22 minutes ago, Smogg said:

Was there any point in reducing the size of the camera if the lenses for which SL series cameras are bought are still huge? Or was the goal to attract the attention of those who use M lenses?

A bunch of smaller lenses have been released in the past 5 years since the SL2 came out: most of the APO-Summicrons, the ASPHs, the 24-70 and 100-400.

I'll wait until I have an SL3 in-hand before deciding that it's too small. The grip is very similar, albeit a few millimeters closer to the lens mount.

[Simone_DF]

1 minute ago, Smogg said:

Does it make sense to buy SL to use with Sigma lenses? Then it’s better to buy a much more functional camera from Canon, Nikon, Sony. The main advantage of the Leica SL is its extraordinary quality lenses.

To me, yes. I do value small size, even though I do own the 50 and 90 Leica APO. Also, Leica is rebadging a few Sigma lenses. If they are good enough for Leica, they are good enough for me too.

Nikon and Canon do not offer Sigma lenses. Sony does, but I used their cameras for a few years and never loved them.

I plan to get the S5II though. Not interested in the SL3. 

[Geoff C. Bassett]

9 minutes ago, Carrot said:

Had a play with it for an hour or so, going through settings etc.  Some initial observations on ergonomics and setting up:

 

• Turns on quickly when pressing start, faster than my SL2-S does, so no issue there.  But having to hold the button for several seconds to turn it off is already becoming irritating
• If you are in AUTO ISO mode, turning the dial assigned to ISO will not change ISO, it's locked into Auto.  You have to go into the Control Center to exit Auto ISO first.  If you have an ISO dial, why not include Auto in the sequence 50-100000.

Incredibly weird choice in regards to iso.

I've said it elsewhere, not being able to turn off and put the camera away quickly would drive me nuts. 

[Carrot]

6 minutes ago, BernardC said:

A bunch of smaller lenses have been released in the past 5 years since the SL2 came out: most of the APO-Summicrons, the ASPHs, the 24-70 and 100-400.

I'll wait until I have an SL3 in-hand before deciding that it's too small. The grip is very similar, albeit a few millimeters closer to the lens mount.

A trace of the bottom of the SL3 and SL2-S …

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[Smogg]

6 minutes ago, BernardC said:

A bunch of smaller lenses have been released in the past 5 years since the SL2 came out: most of the APO-Summicrons, the ASPHs, the 24-70 and 100-400.

I'll wait until I have an SL3 in-hand before deciding that it's too small. The grip is very similar, albeit a few millimeters closer to the lens mount.

I regard APO lenses as quite large

[LocalHero1953]

2 minutes ago, Geoff C. Bassett said:

I've said it elsewhere, not being able to turn off and put the camera away quickly would drive me nuts. 

Is this certain? Jono Slack's review just said it took a few seconds to shut down, not that you had to hold the button down. In fact he added the comment that pressing the button again during the shut down did not have any effect (neither forcing shutdown, nor switching on again, or just screwing it up completely).

Mind you, I hope it isn't too easy to accidentally switch off with a short touch. 

He wrote something about switching on, that it took 'under three seconds' after pressing the button before it was ready. The SL2-S is similar: oddly, that doesn't irritate me, though the 1-2 secs of the M240 did drive me nuts.

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9 minutes ago, Carrot said:

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thanks for this great comparison 

Doesn’t look 20% smaller to me (which I believe was the number touted) or even any smaller at all… lol 

happy if it has lost weight but I find the sl2 size and weight just fine

Robb

[Geoff C. Bassett]

3 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Is this certain? Jono Slack's review just said it took a few seconds to shut down, not that you had to hold the button down. In fact he added the comment that pressing the button again during the shut down did not have any effect (neither forcing shutdown, nor switching on again, or just screwing it up completely).

Mind you, I hope it isn't too easy to accidentally switch off with a short touch. 

He wrote something about switching on, that it took 'under three seconds' after pressing the button before it was ready. The SL2-S is similar: oddly, that doesn't irritate me, though the 1-2 secs of the M240 did drive me nuts.

In Chris & Jordans video they talk about having to hold it down to turn it off.

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[Dr. G]

I need to look at and read the reviews, but can the joystick be pressed to zoom in for manual focus?