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[MediaFotografie]

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vor 3 Stunden schrieb frame-it:

5404 is the Q3??

and its variants.

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from the Q3 pdf

 

 

OR

 

it could be a dual certification, for type 6506 AND 5404, using the same wifi/bluetooth module

 

 

 

hmmm, Q3 is 6506 (printed on my camera); I can't find any pdf document saying 5404

[trickness]

I remember before the Q3 was launched, people were saying all such ridiculous things about how expensive it was going to be. 

I would expect the SL3 to be priced in a manner that is very similar to the current SL2, perhaps a couple of hundred above. 

[helged]

8 hours ago, Ken Abrahams said:

Having better Autofocus let alone tracking will be huge leap for the SL3. At least one (AF) that we can rely on instead of stopping to check with magnifier to be sure. Not sure how Leica got away with the current AF in the SL2, SL2S. Their Lenses are to die for may I say in my next breath. 
 

 

Regarding L-mount lenses with fast AF, see the thread below. Please chime in if some of you have experiences with the same/other L-mount lenses with particularly fast AF!

 

[frame-it]

5 hours ago, MediaFotografie said:

hmmm, Q3 is 6506 (printed on my camera); I can't find any pdf document saying 5404

around page 88

[PeterGA]

10 hours ago, Ken Abrahams said:

Having better Autofocus let alone tracking will be huge leap for the SL3. At least one (AF) that we can rely on instead of stopping to check with magnifier to be sure. Not sure how Leica got away with the current AF in the SL2, SL2S. Their Lenses are to die for may I say in my next breath. 
 

 

I see the 8K Euro/ 13KAUD  suggested retail price as a luxury tax on those of us who are invested in the SL APO Summicrons  - now that I am walking around street shooting with an X2D - the use case of M disappeared - very quickly. The SL2 (for me) now has far less use case appeal than it used to - the distinguishing advantage it has is as an IBIS-equipped best user of M mount lenses and tele-options - something other manufacturers can't match. 

I am hoping that improved autofocus is very very much improved and the ergonomics arent negatively impacted by a smaller body.

 

[Simone_DF]

2 hours ago, PeterGA said:

the distinguishing advantage it has is as an IBIS-equipped best user of M mount lenses and tele-options - something other manufacturers can't match. 

Not sure about that. Other manufacturers (Sony and Nikon) have native Voigtlander lenses. No need for an adapter, which adds size and weight, lens are chipped, IBIS, exif and twist to zoom functions are also automatically implemented. The new Nikon has also eye recognition, the lens automatically magnify on the eye when engaging the focus ring, and signal when focus is achieved, which for some is a game changer. On top of that, Techart makes an autofocus adapter for M lenses, so there's also that option if desired.

If you already have a set of Leica branded M lenses, the SL could be the best option. If you're starting from scratch, perhaps not so much, imho.

[Ken Abrahams]

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10 hours ago, PeterGA said:

I see the 8K Euro/ 13KAUD  suggested retail price as a luxury tax on those of us who are invested in the SL APO Summicrons  - now that I am walking around street shooting with an X2D - the use case of M disappeared - very quickly. The SL2 (for me) now has far less use case appeal than it used to - the distinguishing advantage it has is as an IBIS-equipped best user of M mount lenses and tele-options - something other manufacturers can't match. 

I am hoping that improved autofocus is very very much improved and the ergonomics arent negatively impacted by a smaller body.

 

Based on meta research it appears to me that there are more and more photographers [people with disposable incomes] coming over to the 'Leica [L] SIDE' and its seemingly increased sales of both new and used gear, Leica can afford to put the prices up. To make adjustments to the prices is also to maintain the idea that buying Leica is very expensive and elite. The price needs to be outside of most of the population's means to reflect that.        

[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, Ken Abrahams said:

Based on meta research it appears to me that there are more and more photographers [people with disposable incomes] coming over to the 'Leica [L] SIDE' and its seemingly increased sales of both new and used gear, Leica can afford to put the prices up. To make adjustments to the prices is also to maintain the idea that buying Leica is very expensive and elite. The price needs to be outside of most of the population's means to reflect that.        

Yes, but that's also because it's easier to find a SL2 or SL2-S at lower prices nowadays. I can see several SL2 priced around 3500-3900€, an attractive price that can make some people jump in on the L bandwagon. 

But if you double this price and push the SL3 to 7500€, I wonder how many are going to get a SL3 compared to a Panasonic for 1/3 or less of the price, which also allow you to keep using the same lenses.

[PeterGA]

20 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

Not sure about that. Other manufacturers (Sony and Nikon) have native Voigtlander lenses. No need for an adapter, which adds size and weight, lens are chipped, IBIS, exif and twist to zoom functions are also automatically implemented. The new Nikon has also eye recognition, the lens automatically magnify on the eye when engaging the focus ring, and signal when focus is achieved, which for some is a game changer. On top of that, Techart makes an autofocus adapter for M lenses, so there's also that option if desired.

If you already have a set of Leica branded M lenses, the SL could be the best option. If you're starting from scratch, perhaps not so much, imho.

Agreed - I was specifically referencing Leica M lens behaviour on the SL. One could; go further and point out the marginal real-world use case difference between APO Summicron L lenses and Sigma/Panasonic alternatives. Then you have the real world use case of X2D or Fuji larger than 35mm chipped offerings....

 

[budjames]

On 1/17/2024 at 3:36 AM, Miltz said:

Why would you even look at the SL3 if you have the X2D?

Long lens and the ability to use M lenses.

Cheers,

Bud

[Printmaker]

Subscription… hush, don’t give Leica any ideas.

My only complaints with my SL2S is the autofocus and the MP. I missed too many photos because the camera would focus on the leaves and not the animal in the trees. Or the animal running. By the time I got my finger on the af lock, the camera had already refocused elsewhere. Still, I got 95% of what I needed. 

So, a 60 mp backlight pixil shifting sensor and better AF would get me to upgrade. Though 16 bit capture would sweeten the deal.

[ruskkyle]

4 hours ago, Printmaker said:

Subscription… hush, don’t give Leica any ideas.

My only complaints with my SL2S is the autofocus and the MP. I missed too many photos because the camera would focus on the leaves and not the animal in the trees. Or the animal running. By the time I got my finger on the af lock, the camera had already refocused elsewhere. Still, I got 95% of what I needed. 

So, a 60 mp backlight pixil shifting sensor and better AF would get me to upgrade. Though 16 bit capture would sweeten the deal.

Give the S5 II a try.

[soccerrick10]

1 hour ago, ruskkyle said:

Give the S5 II a try.

I just bought one with the 50mm f/1.8 S lens for $1750.  It is very good.  It won’t pass for an SL2-S in feel.  But, after not being satisfied with the SL2-S autofocus, it is great.  I figure it is either a keeper or a bridge to the SL3 which won’t be readily available to us mortals for at least a year from now.

[FocusDot]

On 1/17/2024 at 7:56 PM, trickness said:

I remember before the Q3 was launched, people were saying all such ridiculous things about how expensive it was going to be. 

I would expect the SL3 to be priced in a manner that is very similar to the current SL2, perhaps a couple of hundred above. 

I hope very much you are right about this sir...🤓

[Planetwide]

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[LocalHero1953]

I have a SL2-S which I like well and it works just fine for my particular needs. A while ago I tried a S5ii in a local shop, and concluded that, while the interface (buttons and menus) would irritate me, it had plenty going for it. If my SL2-S failed at the wrong time I would have no hesitation in buying the S5ii as a cheaper substitute, quickly available in local shops. Taking this approach is simpler than buying a backup body 'just in case'.

[Almizilero]

vor 12 Minuten schrieb LocalHero1953:

I have a SL2-S which I like well and it works just fine for my particular needs. A while ago I tried a S5ii in a local shop, and concluded that, while the interface (buttons and menus) would irritate me, it had plenty going for it. If my SL2-S failed at the wrong time I would have no hesitation in buying the S5ii as a cheaper substitute, quickly available in local shops. Taking this approach is simpler than buying a backup body 'just in case'.

I got the S5II as my second body. Simply because it was the cheapest option. Well, the S5 was the cheapest option, but I got a good deal on the 5II that it was close enough. It's kinda hard switching between the two bodys at first, but after I set it up to my needs, it's hardly a problem. The AF is better, but since I used Sony until two years ago I can say that it's not as good as that yet. So I don't expect wonders from the SL3. And I don't have to. I'm still absolutely happy with the SL2-S. The AF is good enough and the output is just amazing. So I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon. Especially when the rumours are true and I could get two SL2-S used for the price of a new SL3.

[PavelS]

12 hours ago, ruskkyle said:

Give the S5 II a try.

Still not close to AF of Sony A7 IV or newer or Canon R6 or better by far! I am talking the AF-C tracking and Eye Focus tracking AF-C specifically. Much worse reliability and there is no small point AF area AF-C tracking available at all. I do event photography and my current camera is the S5IIx (moved from SL & SL2-s). There is so many things I actually love (and prefer) about the S5II compared to Sony or Canon, but AF is still major down point of the S5II. At the end I will always bring home enough good images from each gig it is just more work and more demanding and there are situations when I know that I have missed some opportunities which would have been easily done with other cameras I had or tried before.

[helged]

1 hour ago, PavelS said:

Still not close to AF of Sony A7 IV or newer or Canon R6 or better by far! I am talking the AF-C tracking and Eye Focus tracking AF-C specifically. Much worse reliability and there is no small point AF area AF-C tracking available at all. I do event photography and my current camera is the S5IIx (moved from SL & SL2-s). There is so many things I actually love (and prefer) about the S5II compared to Sony or Canon, but AF is still major down point of the S5II. At the end I will always bring home enough good images from each gig it is just more work and more demanding and there are situations when I know that I have missed some opportunities which would have been easily done with other cameras I had or tried before.

Which lenses did you use? See eg

 

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[Simone_DF]

10 hours ago, PavelS said:

Still not close to AF of Sony A7 IV or newer or Canon R6 or better by far! I am talking the AF-C tracking and Eye Focus tracking AF-C specifically. Much worse reliability and there is no small point AF area AF-C tracking available at all. I do event photography and my current camera is the S5IIx (moved from SL & SL2-s). There is so many things I actually love (and prefer) about the S5II compared to Sony or Canon, but AF is still major down point of the S5II. At the end I will always bring home enough good images from each gig it is just more work and more demanding and there are situations when I know that I have missed some opportunities which would have been easily done with other cameras I had or tried before.

Give Panasonic some time. It's still early days for Panasonic's PDAF, the software is as important as the hardware