leica r10 digital *** mount change ***

[ptomsu]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

If I have to buy new lenses to use an R10, I'll not be buying an R10.

 

Like many R users, I have (say it quietly...) thousands of pounds invested in my R glass, all of which would be "worthless" should any future R body not accept them. Using an adaptor will, inevitably, mean some sort of compromise.

 

If the M8 can use lenses from 1954, I see not reason why an R10 shouldn't be able to use all 3-cam lenses.

 

If a new mount was to be adopted, it would make it clear what Leica really think of R-users.

 

What I know is that they will change the mount, but R lenses will be usable with an adapter (of course only MF).

[Advertisement]

The Leica Q3 is available for pre-order at B&H Photo Video and Adorama

[sdai]

I'll have no problem letting the rumor spread like wild fire and see the R lens price drop like hard rock. LOL

[mgcd]

What I know is that they will change the mount, but R lenses will be usable with an adapter (of course only MF).

 

Peter - Sorry but this is pure speculation on your part, this information has NOT been corroborated by anyone else "in the know". I really wish you would stop passing off your speculations for facts.

 

Cheers,

[lct]

What I know is that they will change the mount, but R lenses will be usable with an adapter (of course only MF).

Peter if you add an adapter the lenses will be too far from the sensor no?

[msadat]

As long as they keep the mount, all is well!!

 

I am kind of worried about the mount change or the "old R lenses" not working the same as right now. when mamiya came up with the 645 af, the mount was the same but all old lenses worked in stopdown mode, which i hope will not happen to the R line,

 

if it does i will again start using them with canon bodies and not buy a new leica r10!!

 

i really hope that leica is on this forum and understands their customer base. I don't mind and like having an avenue to get AF leica lenses but so long as my old one's work as is.

 

the leica mount is big enough to handle AF, IS,... since the lenses are all mechanical, the new camera needs to have the grear to deal with it, something that nikon is already doing with old mf, old AF lenses right now!!

 

Peter if you add an adapter the lenses will be too far from the sensor no?

[stevelap]

What I know is that they will change the mount, but R lenses will be usable with an adapter (of course only MF).

Although not currently an 'R' user (I have an M8), I am interested in this thread as a potential Leica slr buyer.

I don't usually take part in these speculative debates, but I am becoming increasingly annoyed (is it just me?) with the habit of some forum members of posting rumor and speculation as 'fact'.

It may be that I'm misinterpreting the tone of some of these posts from non-native English users, and if so I apologise, but it really is time for Ptomsu to 'put up or shut up'. If you have evidence or sources for your belief that a future 'R10' will have a new lens mount then please enlighten us, suitably de-identified if necessary, otherwise such posts are pointless.

I'm all for freedom of speech and open, informed debate, and yes, even starry eyed 'wish lists', but please label rumour, speculation and personal opinion appropriately.

[Guest Motivfindender]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

Although not currently an 'R' user (I have an M8), I am interested in this thread as a potential Leica slr buyer.

I don't usually take part in these speculative debates, but I am becoming increasingly annoyed (is it just me?) with the habit of some forum members of posting rumor and speculation as 'fact'.

It may be that I'm misinterpreting the tone of some of these posts from non-native English users, and if so I apologise, but it really is time for Ptomsu to 'put up or shut up'. If you have evidence or sources for your belief that a future 'R10' will have a new lens mount then please enlighten us, suitably de-identified if necessary, otherwise such posts are pointless.

I'm all for freedom of speech and open, informed debate, and yes, even starry eyed 'wish lists', but please label rumour, speculation and personal opinion appropriately.

 

Unfortunately,

 

I have to tell you, that ptomsu has already started other Threads in the German forum which spread even more childish mix of pure phantasy and maniac rumors about his so-called connections to "very important Developers and deciscion-making people" all around Leica. At the end, nobody in the german forum believes what he is speculating about, because his postings are all ridiculous.

 

Just to ignore him will be the best thing for not to loose your time for nothing.

 

In the german forum, he pretended to have own nearly every camera you can imagine and -of course - to be expert for all of them. It´s boring.

(rolleyes)

 

just my 2 cents....

 

To have a non-downgradable Mount on the R-10 would be nothing than first-class economical suicide for leica.

 

Dirk

[msadat]

after more and more thinking about it, now i think that they will keep the mount and add more stuff for AF and other things. my worries are almost gone.

 

I started this thread, cuz i am first of all enjoying my DMR, secondly, i want to get some more lenses and want to make sure i can use'em with the next leica digicam

 

Unfortunately,

 

I have to tell you, that ptomsu has already started other Threads in the German forum which spread even more childish mix of pure phantasy and maniac rumors about his so-called connections to "very important Developers and deciscion-making people" all around Leica. At the end, nobody in the german forum believes what he is speculating about, because his postings are all ridiculous.

 

Just to ignore him will be the best thing for not to loose your time for nothing.

 

In the german forum, he pretended to have own nearly every camera you can imagine and -of course - to be expert for all of them. It´s boring.

(rolleyes)

 

just my 2 cents....

 

To have a non-downgradable Mount on the R-10 would be nothing than first-class economical suicide for leica.

 

Dirk

[ptomsu]

Unfortunately,

 

I have to tell you, that ptomsu has already started other Threads in the German forum which spread even more childish mix of pure phantasy and maniac rumors about his so-called connections to "very important Developers and deciscion-making people" all around Leica. At the end, nobody in the german forum believes what he is speculating about, because his postings are all ridiculous.

 

Just to ignore him will be the best thing for not to loose your time for nothing.

 

In the german forum, he pretended to have own nearly every camera you can imagine and -of course - to be expert for all of them. It´s boring.

(rolleyes)

 

just my 2 cents....

 

To have a non-downgradable Mount on the R-10 would be nothing than first-class economical suicide for leica.

 

Dirk

 

Just do not listen to this user, he already played the same dirty games in the German forum and does not want anything than useless fight. He actually is not even registered with his real name, so he is anonymous and under this umbrella he dares to spread attacks like this one!

 

I would highly recommend to the Moderator to exclude such users. I already raised this issue to the admin of this forum as well!

 

Now let me corret some of these wrong statements:

 

My connections are neiher to developers nor decisionmakers in Leica, but to some folks outside Leica, who work ver closely with the company. And I have always said here, that the larger sensor is what I heard of these people. So it is up to everybody to belive it or not. If you do not belive, its fine, then just ignore. If you tend to belive it, then lets discuss and maybe some of you will get even more information about this. There is absolutely no need to start fighting about these opinions.

 

I own (have owned) lot of cameras but this is not something which should be discussed here as it does not contribute to the topic in this thread at all.

 

PS: meanwhile I have heard these rumors not only from one source.

[ptomsu]

after more and more thinking about it, now i think that they will keep the mount and add more stuff for AF and other things. my worries are almost gone.

 

I started this thread, cuz i am first of all enjoying my DMR, secondly, i want to get some more lenses and want to make sure i can use'em with the next leica digicam

 

I had a DMR and I enjoyed it. Issue is that whatever will happen it will make the DMR outdated and the price will go down (has gone own already). While you of course can continue to enjoy your DMR, it will never allow you FF and AF - period. If this is ok for you, then just forget about anything in this thread.

[ptomsu]

Although not currently an 'R' user (I have an M8), I am interested in this thread as a potential Leica slr buyer.

I don't usually take part in these speculative debates, but I am becoming increasingly annoyed (is it just me?) with the habit of some forum members of posting rumor and speculation as 'fact'.

It may be that I'm misinterpreting the tone of some of these posts from non-native English users, and if so I apologise, but it really is time for Ptomsu to 'put up or shut up'. If you have evidence or sources for your belief that a future 'R10' will have a new lens mount then please enlighten us, suitably de-identified if necessary, otherwise such posts are pointless.

I'm all for freedom of speech and open, informed debate, and yes, even starry eyed 'wish lists', but please label rumour, speculation and personal opinion appropriately.

 

I actually am not sure what bad things I said in this thread. I only contributed, what I know from several different sources that Leica will change their mount, which is actually obvious if they want to go AF. What I have heard is not from Leica directly - so it is what you call rumors. Ok, if it is only rumors for you, then why do you take this so serious? If you are going to buy into their SLR system, feel free to do so. It is all your decision and your problem.

 

But what we have in this forum is freedom of opinion and discussion, this is all a forum is about. If you are not able to cope with that then just stay out of the thereads you do not like to participate. As long as Leica is not officially saying what they are going to do in the DSLR area, there will always be rumors. But it is the most miserable behaviour to attack users, who have just different opinions than what you want to hear.

 

And finally, but most importantly - you are a member who signs into this forum anonymously. This is in my opinion not appropriate and should actually be forbidden. But furthermore it shows the bad and yellow attidude of these individuals hiding behind such anonymous behaviour.

[ptomsu]

Peter - Sorry but this is pure speculation on your part, this information has NOT been corroborated by anyone else "in the know". I really wish you would stop passing off your speculations for facts.

 

Cheers,

 

Not my speculations, info I received from meanwhile different sources OUTSIDE Leica. Do not blame the messenger, blame Leica that they are not making clear statements about their future path.

[Guest Motivfindender]

after more and more thinking about it, now i think that they will keep the mount and add more stuff for AF and other things. my worries are almost gone.

 

I started this thread, cuz i am first of all enjoying my DMR, secondly, i want to get some more lenses and want to make sure i can use'em with the next leica digicam

 

Leica has already shown that they can add some contacts and at the same time keep the mount "downgradable" for the old glasses. So what?

 

I for my part have spent now one Year of intense shopping of Leica glasses - could not at all resist to the "near Zero" prices of nearIy new gear. I have now nearly completed this and wait with lots of glasses very relaxed for the things that will come.

Buyed some glasses I not even would have dreamed about before.

 

I believe (!) - well, at least I hope - that they learned their lesson with the somewhat non-impressing R&D concerning the M-8 and will not do the same faults a second time again.

 

Although there rests a bit of scepticism concerning the person of Mr. Lee.

 

In the meanwhile I will use other bodies, I am glad that other fathers have nice daughters too ( 5D and E-1) .

 

And - hey, boys! - perhaps It will not even last one more year until the R-10 will perhaps be on the market. I hope, the photokina 2008 will be the place to let drop the curtain.

 

My personal speculation:

 

R-10 will have FF(the only reason, why I did not buy one of the last DMRs) , AF (older Glasses can use focus conformation) and - hopefully - a live-screen like the E-3.

 

The nearer the concept is to the E-3, the best it is IMHO (but with FF, I like the WA-Photography)

 

 

Dirk

[Angora]

Just do not listen to this user, he already played the same dirty games in the German forum and does not want anything than useless fight. He actually is not even registered with his real name, so he is anonymous and under this umbrella he dares to spread attacks like this one!

 

I would highly recommend to the Moderator to exclude such users. I already raised this issue to the admin of this forum as well!

 

I slightly disagree.

I'm not using my real name... so what? Does it automatically imply that I'm a kind of hooligan ready to begin flame wars?

[lct]

...what I know from several different sources that Leica will change their mount, which is actually obvious if they want to go AF..

I don't understand this statement Peter. Nikon did not change their mount when they made AF did they? I can still use old MF lenses on my Nikon DSLRs and i expect to do the same with the D3 and/or R10 personally.

[ptomsu]

I don't understand this statement Peter. Nikon did not change their mount when they made AF did they? I can still use old MF lenses on my Nikon DSLRs and i expect to do the same with the D3 and/or R10 personally.

 

Well, I do not understand either! I am only the messenger!

 

I would have assumed they stay with the same mount nd add AF (by maybe adding some more contacts, silent wave motor hopefully in the lenses).

 

I also would not go for a larger sensor. But again this is what I heard.

 

Whatever comes - I hope that Leica have done their homework and thought about the potential market. Otherwise they will come into trouble again.

 

But one thing is sure for me - I would only use AF lenes on this AF body (was the same with Nikon in thepast for me). So I did not have to keep most of my R glass as well as DMR, because I do not use it anymore!

[mgcd]

Well, I do not understand either! I am only the messenger!

 

I would have assumed they stay with the same mount nd add AF (by maybe adding some more contacts, silent wave motor hopefully in the lenses).

 

I also would not go for a larger sensor. But again this is what I heard.

 

Whatever comes - I hope that Leica have done their homework and thought about the potential market. Otherwise they will come into trouble again.

 

But one thing is sure for me - I would only use AF lenes on this AF body (was the same with Nikon in thepast for me). So I did not have to keep most of my R glass as well as DMR, because I do not use it anymore!

 

What you heard is still rumour and speculation... Did it ever occur to you that someone MAY be pulling your leg?

[lct]

Well, I do not understand either! I am only the messenger!...

So why do you spread this message so loudly instead of question it with your good sense Peter? Suffice it to compare the size of Nikon and Leica-R mounts to be, at least, cautious IMHO.

[Advertisement]

Hallo,

Look here: Interesting Leica gear

[ptomsu]

So why do you spread this message so loudly instead of question it with your good sense Peter? Suffice it to compare the size of Nikon and Leica-R mounts to be, at least, cautious IMHO.

 

We will see what comes. Although I trust the source I heard this rumor from pretty much :-))

 

But what I do not understand - why are so many folks here upset if Leica would doe a mount change? They are maybe looking for a different market and different customer set. Maybe we - the existing customers - do not promise enough revenue.

 

I have full respect for these considerations!

[jrc]

I think the Leica "R" system is teetering on the brink of extinction -- this not from inside knowledge but just the economics and technology. The new Nikon is brilliant, and early reports suggest that the new Canon 1DsIII is pushing hard against MF quality. Nikon lenses are very, very good -- pehaps not as good as the very best Leicas, but extremely good. And, of course, both Canon and Nikon are lot cheaper than Leica.

 

That means that Leica has a very narrow slot to work: the few people who want 35mm-sized sensor/lens system that are better than Canon or Nikon (with the possibility of Zeiss lenses for the latter), and damn the cost, but who are unwilling to go to medium format; and heritage buyers, people who simply buy Leica because they can afford it and because they love the machinery.

 

If you get rid of the mount, you get rid of the heritage buyers. You've not only crushed the monetary value of their systems, you've insulted them in a way. I think the chances of Leica doing that are nil. Leica has always seemed hyper-aware of its heritage.

 

There's no reason that Leica (like Pentax and Nikon) couldn't put electronic contacts in the camera for use with matching contacts on a new range of lenses, but that would simply work in manual mode with older lenses. That's what they will do, if there is an R10 at all.

 

JC