Internal Memory Storage

[philiptran]

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Hi everyone,

I'm considering purchasing an m11 but was curious about the 64gb of internal memory storage. What is the approximate number of DNG only files (no jpeg) the internal memory can hold at all 3 resolutions (60, 36, 18) when it's completely empty? I've been searching for the answer everywhere but haven't been able to find it. Thanks so much!

[Jeff S]

At an average DNG file size of about 90mb, about 700 images.

Jeff

Edited December 18, 2022 by Jeff S

[LBJ2]

16 hours ago, philiptran said:

Hi everyone,

I'm considering purchasing an m11 but was curious about the 64gb of internal memory storage. What is the approximate number of DNG only files (no jpeg) the internal memory can hold at all 3 resolutions (60, 36, 18) when it's completely empty? I've been searching for the answer everywhere but haven't been able to find it. Thanks so much!

When I take out the SD card and then turn on the camera I see the following data displayed for M11's empty 64GB internal memory: * I just reformatted the internal memory, so I am sure internal memory is empty of any images.

With the camera file size set to:

L-DNG (60MP) : "462 free/54.4GB"

M-DNG (36MP) : "786 free/54.4GB" 

S-DNG (18M) : "1K free/54.4GB" 

[DenverSteve]

11 hours ago, LBJ2 said:

L-DNG (60MP) : "462 free/54.4GB"

M-DNG (36MP) : "786 free/54.4GB" 

S-DNG (18M) : "1K free/54.4GB" 

This is the correct answer according to the M11 body. Set to DNG, with no SD card, and reformatted, the answer shows as above.

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by DenverSteve

[Photoworks]

On 12/18/2022 at 4:55 PM, philiptran said:

Hi everyone,

I'm considering purchasing an m11 but was curious about the 64gb of internal memory storage. What is the approximate number of DNG only files (no jpeg) the internal memory can hold at all 3 resolutions (60, 36, 18) when it's completely empty? I've been searching for the answer everywhere but haven't been able to find it. Thanks so much!

most likely you will be using SD card most of the time.

[DenverSteve]

If you’re really thinking about buying an M11, the capacity of the internal memory is irrelevant. No other Leica has internal memory and everyone has been doing fine without it.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nice idea, but whether you have one card slot, two card slots, or one card slot and internal memory, people normally purchase a M11, 10 or nine for what it brings to the table not for the internal memory it has.

Edited December 20, 2022 by DenverSteve

[lct]

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Each to its own but i don't find that capacity irrelevant. In IN=SD mode i expect both volumes to have the same capacity more or less so i mostly use 64GB cards. 

[Henners]

The internal memory is usually considered more for backup in the event you forget your SD card, along with JPG backups of your DNG files stored on the main SD card. I personally wouldn't consider it the primary storage but I guess there's no reason why you couldn't just use it but know that it's generally thought of as a secondary bonus storage.

[ELAN]

Internal memory is one of my favorite features in the M11 and I use it as my first and primary storage.  With prior digital M cameras my SD card remained at home countless times as I forgot to insert it back in the camera. Now I never worry about it. 

There’s also a 128GB SD card in my camera that hardly gets used, and is never removed, thanks to the USB-C 3.2 connection - another favorite. 

On a recent 5-day trip with just M11 and lens I came back with 1575 L-DNG images and camera storage 98% full.

I wish the M11-P comes with 256 GB of internal storage.

[chasdfg]

46 minutes ago, ELAN said:

Internal memory is one of my favorite features in the M11 and I use it as my first and primary storage.  With prior digital M cameras my SD card remained at home countless times as I forgot to insert it back in the camera. Now I never worry about it. 

There’s also a 128GB SD card in my camera that hardly gets used, and is never removed, thanks to the USB-C 3.2 connection - another favorite. 

On a recent 5-day trip with just M11 and lens I came back with 1575 L-DNG images and camera storage 98% full.

I wish the M11-P comes with 256 GB of internal storage.

Does the 1575 include the SD storage? I took about 1700 M-DNGs over a 2 week trip - about 1500 went into the internal storage and 200 into my SD as the internal storage maxed out. 

In any case, the projected number of photos the camera states it can store is a very conservative number.

Side thing, not sure if it's just me but sometimes the project photos the camera says it can store can be erratic e.g. when I turn the camera one time it would say 400 more shots, then another time it would say 600. But the number of pics it says it can store after internal memory is formatted is the same (786 pics for M DNG)

Edited December 21, 2022 by chasdfg

[ELAN]

Yes, 1575 L-DNG images in 64 GB internal storage and 128 SD. Total 192 GB storage. 

I find L-DNG vary in size from ~60 MB to ~90 MB depending on image content, dynamic range and lighting. The camera gives an average estimate but cannot anticipate your shooting conditions that vary DNG size. It’s about as reliable as Range to Empty in my car. 

[Photoworks]

I use IN memory often when I have to shoot fast, The internal memory is much faster and clears the buffer quicker then saving on SD

[LBJ2]

On 12/19/2022 at 9:58 AM, LBJ2 said:

When I take out the SD card and then turn on the camera I see the following data displayed for M11's empty 64GB internal memory: * I just reformatted the internal memory, so I am sure internal memory is empty of any images.

With the camera file size set to:

L-DNG (60MP) : "462 free/54.4GB"

M-DNG (36MP) : "786 free/54.4GB" 

S-DNG (18M) : "1K free/54.4GB" 

Just curious, can others on this thread compare what their M11's empty internal memory shows without an SD card on their camera'a menu to the numbers I've posted above. I am sure the numbers recalculate once in use depending on the actual and various sizes of each image stored, but I am thinking we should probably all start out with the same numbers?

[LBJ2]

7 hours ago, ELAN said:

Internal memory is one of my favorite features in the M11 and I use it as my first and primary storage.  With prior digital M cameras my SD card remained at home countless times as I forgot to insert it back in the camera. Now I never worry about it. 

There’s also a 128GB SD card in my camera that hardly gets used, and is never removed, thanks to the USB-C 3.2 connection - another favorite. 

On a recent 5-day trip with just M11 and lens I came back with 1575 L-DNG images and camera storage 98% full.

I wish the M11-P comes with 256 GB of internal storage.

Yes! One of my favorite features too. Big surprise when I first read the M11 internal memory specs and more than happy to have that premium feature personally. It just presents more options that we can chose to use or not use and as you wrote at a minimum a very smart backup plan for more than a few very real-practical scenarios. 

To me its part of my workflow and use it accordingly just as if I had a second card slot without having to buy and mind yet another SD card.  Looking forward to even more internal storage in future rangefinder's as I think this is a sleeper feature, that just makes sense once you actually take advantage. Looks like Hasselblad agrees. 

[lct]

9 minutes ago, LBJ2 said:

Just curious, can others on this thread compare what their M11's empty internal memory shows without an SD card on their camera'a menu to the numbers I've posted above. I am sure the numbers recalculate once in use depending on the actual and various sizes of each image stored, but I am thinking we should probably all start out with the same numbers?

Only checked at 60mp and i got 373 free/54.4GB. I must have sharper pics than yours i guess . 

[LBJ2]

11 minutes ago, lct said:

Only checked at 60mp and i got 373 free/54.4GB. I must have sharper pics than yours i guess . 

That's interesting. Did you reformat the internal memory? 

[lct]

18 minutes ago, LBJ2 said:

That's interesting. Did you reformat the internal memory? 

I washed my hands too .  Let's face it, my pictures are 23% better than yours but i'm sure you can live with that . 

Edited December 21, 2022 by lct

[lct]

I'm pulling your leg, my results are the same as yours .

[LBJ2]

2 minutes ago, lct said:

I'm pulling your leg, my results are the same as yours .

🤪. Good to know. I was wondering if the calculations might be less accurate than I had anticipated. But looks like at least two of us seeing the same numbers. 

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[farnz]

I've noticed that after chocolate product shoots when the internal memory is full the camera feels slightly heavier and a little chunkier.  Has anyone found this mentioned in the manual?

Pete.