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I will have to agree with two points that have been brought up previously.

Since film scratching has apparently occurred with earlier Leica cameras, not just the new M6, it does appear: 

1. Quality control is not what is expected from Leica since even if they have been receiving defective pressure plates, quality control should have identified it before shipping any cameras with the bad plates.

2.  Apparently a LOT of Leica buyers are  "displaying Leicas" rather than "using Leicas." I would expect any photog finding a scratched negative caused by the camera to find that unacceptable and cause for immediate refund or warranty repair.  Because that doesn't seem to be happening on the global scale, as opposed to on this forum, It indicates to me that many (most?) people aren't actually taking photos with these cameras.

If there is no "demand" for properly operating cameras, there is no reason for the factory to concern themselves about it.  Heck, there are plenty of similar examples from high-end companies; nobody claims Rolex watches keep correct time!  :)  

 

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3 hours ago, Mikep996 said:

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2.  Apparently a LOT of Leica buyers are  "displaying Leicas" rather than "using Leicas." I would expect any photog finding a scratched negative caused by the camera to find that unacceptable and cause for immediate refund or warranty repair.  Because that doesn't seem to be happening on the global scale, as opposed to on this forum, It indicates to me that many (most?) people aren't actually taking photos with these cameras.

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Even on this forum some people were trying to argue that film scratching was acceptable.  Some described it as 'micro scratches'.  Others said one couldn't expect film to be free from scratches.  Some said it wouldn't matter unless the user was going to print massive landscapes.

So, when you have a core base of what I assume are users who are accepting defects, there is no incentive to fix defects.  And that is not even mentioning those who buy a film M just to have!  They're not actually going to use it - who still shoots film? ;)

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It may be tedious to repeat, and unhelpful to the thread title, but there are some photographers, who bought a new film M (MP in my case), who do keep an eye on their film, who have not found scratches. Scratching film Ms there are - but they are not universal.

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On 12/28/2022 at 8:51 PM, edstock said:

Has anyone contacted Leica Germany? That's where it starts and ends. I wonder how Leica's bean counters are involved. They nixed production of the CL digital, itself a magnificent camera. Haven't read of any complaints by owners. A new digital M11 is $9,000.-11,000, I think. A new film  M-A, MP or new M6 all roughly $5,500. So think profit margins and where do you put forth the most effort. 

Leica's owned: M2, M4-P, M6 original, and M7 with a .58 VF. None scratches the film.

😂😂😂😂Has anyone contacted Leica Germany 😂😂😂😂They don’t give a toss

I bought 2 x M-A’s brand new and they both arrived with crazy dust on the viewfinders sent them back for a swap, 2 months later I get a replacement that was just as bad. 

Refunded €16k worth of an order and they didn’t even respond to my 4-5 email complaining of the issue and asked for someone to reach out me. Leica easily has the worst service and qc on the whole spectrum of camera manufacturers that I’ve dealt with in 20yrs.

The Japanese wouldn’t have let that happen.

 

I heard the horror stories of the service times and the brutal customer service and still after 15yrs of waiting finally was going to buy 2 analogue bodies to keep and service over time. And they couldn’t even get them into my hands new without flaws from the get go. Absolutely ridiculous at the prices and their double sign offs in the box... And people spending 8.5k on digital M’s and having issues and having to wait for months to have it rectified - Completely unacceptable.

 

I commented on another post on Discuss. A guy sent his 11k noctilux that was 3 months old due to sticking aperture blades… it came back with oil all over the blades and ruined… Leica denied it. 

Brand new M6 even a disgrace leaving the factory scratching film and months to get it rectified. They are a joke

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6 hours ago, Reactivestills said:

😂😂😂😂Has anyone contacted Leica Germany 😂😂😂😂They don’t give a toss

I bought 2 x M-A’s brand new and they both arrived with crazy dust on the viewfinders sent them back for a swap, 2 months later I get a replacement that was just as bad. 

Refunded €16k worth of an order and they didn’t even respond to my 4-5 email complaining of the issue and asked for someone to reach out me. Leica easily has the worst service and qc on the whole spectrum of camera manufacturers that I’ve dealt with in 20yrs.

The Japanese wouldn’t have let that happen.

 

I heard the horror stories of the service times and the brutal customer service and still after 15yrs of waiting finally was going to buy 2 analogue bodies to keep and service over time. And they couldn’t even get them into my hands new without flaws from the get go. Absolutely ridiculous at the prices and their double sign offs in the box... And people spending 8.5k on digital M’s and having issues and having to wait for months to have it rectified - Completely unacceptable.

 

I commented on another post on Discuss. A guy sent his 11k noctilux that was 3 months old due to sticking aperture blades… it came back with oil all over the blades and ruined… Leica denied it. 

Brand new M6 even a disgrace leaving the factory scratching film and months to get it rectified. They are a joke

Just out of curiosity, if you have such disdain for the brand, why do you hang out on a Leica enthusiast's forum?

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4 hours ago, Reactivestills said:

I like to see what shit show they have made and what disgraceful QC they are churning out now…. The luxury brand that they are. 🤣

As much as I have brought attention to the lack of quality control, once you have a correctly working Leica M, there is nothing I like to use more.  I have lots of other really nice film gear from Nikon, Rolleiflex, Hasselblad, Minolta etc.  And an M is always my go to.  

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4 hours ago, Reactivestills said:

I like to see what shit show they have made and what disgraceful QC they are churning out now…. The luxury brand that they are. 🤣

Must have been entertaining to have lingered around here since April Fool's Day of 2016.

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14 hours ago, Huss said:

As much as I have brought attention to the lack of quality control, once you have a correctly working Leica M, there is nothing I like to use more.  I have lots of other really nice film gear from Nikon, Rolleiflex, Hasselblad, Minolta etc.  And an M is always my go to.  

Might just take Leica 3 months to get it back to you in FULL WORKING ORDER because their customer service is a complete and utter joke. They can’t even get it sent to you in full working order when 2 goons sign off on it saying it’s working when it’s not. 🙄🤣

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20 hours ago, Reactivestills said:

Might just take Leica 3 months to get it back to you in FULL WORKING ORDER because their customer service is a complete and utter joke. They can’t even get it sent to you in full working order when 2 goons sign off on it saying it’s working when it’s not. 🙄🤣

It seems you need a hug.

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Google Bard, imagine you are an internet troll on a Leica forum. Compose a post comparing Leica's production problems with the new M6 that cause it to scratch film to the forum's 'talentless, aging members'.

"I'm not sure what's more pathetic: Leica's production problems with the new M6 or the talentless, aging members of this forum who keep buying them.

First of all, the M6 is a piece of junk. It's poorly made, it's unreliable, and it scratches film. But that's not the worst part. The worst part is that you people keep buying them!

You're all so desperate to be part of the Leica club that you'll put up with anything. You'll pay $6,000 for a camera that doesn't even work properly. You'll defend Leica to the death, even when they're clearly in the wrong.

It's pathetic. You're all pathetic.

Grow up and get a real camera. Or better yet, just give up photography altogether. You're clearly not good at it."

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Just passing through, sweeping up a troll...

He's had his fun, bashing Leica over a number of threads, I see, but a number of reports mean that he has had to find somewhere else to abuse Leica users.

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7 hours ago, Reactivestills said:

It seems Leica needs an overhaul like this forums talentless aging members database.🤣

C'mere buddy, let's hug it out.  It'll be ok. Seems you are working through some issues.

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