Matlock Posted February 14, 2023 Share #781 Posted February 14, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, Huss said: Ok, here's the glass half full part. At least now Leica has identified that the problem exists, and the cause of the problem. Now how long will it take to get correctly manufactured pressure plates? It could be quite some time, as I reported some time ago, scratched films have been identified since 2014. I think that this faulty batch of pressure plates could have been in stock for a while and have been installed in a rather random fashion which is consistent with Leica's way of working. This would explain why some cameras scratched and some didn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Huss Posted February 14, 2023 Share #782 Posted February 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, Matlock said: It could be quite some time, as I reported some time ago, scratched films have been identified since 2014. I think that this faulty batch of pressure plates could have been in stock for a while and have been installed in a rather random fashion which is consistent with Leica's way of working. This would explain why some cameras scratched and some didn't. But but the M6 is made with all new parts! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 14, 2023 Share #783 Posted February 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Huss said: Well, this puts to rest the claim that it is only the vocal few that have issues, while the vast majority who do not are unheard from. Leica has stated that a batch of pressure plates is defective. When my camera was returned from the first attempted fix, the pressure plate had indeed been replaced. But it was replaced by another defective one! From the same batch the original one came from. If I had a new M6 and think it doesn't scratch the film - I'd check it again. Actually look at your negatives. I follow this thread because occasionally real information trickles out from the surrounding noise, such as the statement to you from Leica. I took your advice, but I still can't see scratches on film from my new MP. It must be my eyesight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted February 14, 2023 Share #784 Posted February 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Huss said: But but the M6 is made with all new parts! If you believe that then you can knit smoke 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 14, 2023 Share #785 Posted February 14, 2023 15 minutes ago, Huss said: But but the M6 is made with all new parts! Who says ALL new parts? Show us Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 14, 2023 Share #786 Posted February 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: I follow this thread because occasionally real information trickles out from the surrounding noise, such as the statement to you from Leica. I took your advice, but I still can't see scratches on film from my new MP. It must be my eyesight. You must have got lucky and your camera has a plate from a good batch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 14, 2023 Share #787 Posted February 14, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 32 minutes ago, lmans said: Who says ALL new parts? Show us Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/355800-brand-new-mpm-am6-film-scratches-merged/?do=findComment&comment=4685393'>More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted February 14, 2023 Share #788 Posted February 14, 2023 Is this a admission that the new style laminated pressure plate with bumps and screw holes, is prone to handling damage and material catching on the screw holes and heads. https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/306263-no-more-mechanism-perfection…/?do=findComment&comment=3910132 Why did they change away from the time proven all metal plate ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted February 14, 2023 Share #789 Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: I follow this thread because occasionally real information trickles out from the surrounding noise, such as the statement to you from Leica. I took your advice, but I still can't see scratches on film from my new MP. It must be my eyesight. Leica have stated that the cause was a defective batch of pressure plates so you will only have problems if your camera has one of those plates. Defective batches of various parts go back many years (not just with Leica). If you can't see scratches on your film you have no problems, either with your camera or your eyes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 14, 2023 Share #790 Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Huss said: You must have got lucky and your camera has a plate from a good batch. And the chances of doing so are what?* * A. Guesswork Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted February 14, 2023 Share #791 Posted February 14, 2023 Hmm...per Huss's post, clearly Leica has now identified that there IS a problem. If there are a batch of defective pressure plates on some new M6s, I would expect Leica to notify all purchasers, informing them that they may have a camera with a defective plate and advising them how to check it and, if necessary, return it to Leica for repair. If Leica can identify the particular cameras by serial number that received a bad plate, they could notify only those buyers. I hope they do that; I expect that they won't. 🙄 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 14, 2023 Share #792 Posted February 14, 2023 Great camera porn but you still haven’t shown anything about ALL new parts. Doesn’t stand to reason they would differ that much from the mp or even M7 although I can see the MA is different as the body doesn’t have a giant hole in it for a battery. But ALL new parts???? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archive_all Posted February 14, 2023 Share #793 Posted February 14, 2023 22 minutes ago, lmans said: Great camera porn but you still haven’t shown anything about ALL new parts. Doesn’t stand to reason they would differ that much from the mp or even M7 although I can see the MA is different as the body doesn’t have a giant hole in it for a battery. But ALL new parts???? The all new parts may have been something lost in translation and then stated to a few people, it's probably all new parts from the original M6. Similarly there was an interview where they mentioned the new M6 light meter can replace the old M6 light meters but most probably know that isn't the case. The M-A is the same aside from the removal of the electronics, right? Isn't the battery hole just covered with a plate to fill it in? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted February 14, 2023 Share #794 Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, lmans said: Great camera porn but you still haven’t shown anything about ALL new parts. Doesn’t stand to reason they would differ that much from the mp or even M7 although I can see the MA is different as the body doesn’t have a giant hole in it for a battery. But ALL new parts???? The reason for the missing ‘giant hole’ is, apparently, due to a cover plate. Have a feel, or next time you’re in hospital for an outpatients appointment get them to X-ray it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted February 14, 2023 Share #795 Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) On 1/14/2023 at 1:35 PM, Mikep996 said: Hmmm...it occurs to me that film scratching might be simply a matter of a few (or one) unhappy employee intentionally sabotaging some cameras. This sort of thing is not unheard of. Of course, Leica employees are surely pleased with their work/wages and such dissatisfaction could never happen, right? 😏 Why yes, of course - we live in wondrous times. Literally anything is possible these days. A dildo shaped UFO might land on the White House lawn and return to us v1.6.0.0 firmware installed alive and well, freeze up free Elvis Presley, Claude Monet and Joan of Arc, too. Edited February 14, 2023 by Herr Barnack 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 14, 2023 Share #796 Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, lmans said: Great camera porn but you still haven’t shown anything about ALL new parts. Doesn’t stand to reason they would differ that much from the mp or even M7 although I can see the MA is different as the body doesn’t have a giant hole in it for a battery. But ALL new parts???? Jono (a Leica beta tester) stated in his M6 preview that Leica told him that the new M6 differed from the other cameras by having 'all new parts'. Someone else at Leica told a well known US dealer that the M6 was essentially the same camera as the MP and the differences were only cosmetic. Without stripping down an example of each camera we'll never know for sure who is telling the truth! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted February 14, 2023 Share #797 Posted February 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Mikep996 said: Hmm...per Huss's post, clearly Leica has now identified that there IS a problem. If there are a batch of defective pressure plates on some new M6s, I would expect Leica to notify all purchasers, informing them that they may have a camera with a defective plate and advising them how to check it and, if necessary, return it to Leica for repair. If Leica can identify the particular cameras by serial number that received a bad plate, they could notify only those buyers. I hope they do that; I expect that they won't. 🙄 Remember how they reacted to the delaminating sensors in the M9? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted February 14, 2023 Share #798 Posted February 14, 2023 I 51 minutes ago, earleygallery said: Jono (a Leica beta tester) stated in his M6 preview that Leica told him that the new M6 differed from the other cameras by having 'all new parts'. I would not interpret "all new parts" to mean different design. Possibly from different sub-contractors or suppliers, or even different manufacturing processes. On the other hand, I'm quite sure there are no used parts in them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 14, 2023 Share #799 Posted February 14, 2023 4 hours ago, lmans said: Great camera porn but you still haven’t shown anything about ALL new parts. Doesn’t stand to reason they would differ that much from the mp or even M7 although I can see the MA is different as the body doesn’t have a giant hole in it for a battery. But ALL new parts???? You're mad huh that Leica has admitted the defect is real - while before you were trying ssoooooo hard to push that it is user error. Or a piece of grit. Or developing. Or just imaginary. Now you are all hung up on the sarcastic joke about 'all new parts'. Because that to you is the real issue. Not the fact that Leica has shipped defective cameras. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 14, 2023 Share #800 Posted February 14, 2023 24 minutes ago, TomB_tx said: I I would not interpret "all new parts" to mean different design. Possibly from different sub-contractors or suppliers, or even different manufacturing processes. On the other hand, I'm quite sure there are no used parts in them. The BS was that the initial claim was it is now all brought in house as they could no longer rely on sourcing parts. Then I get the email from Leica saying it is a supplier issue. Which goes against their claim when this camera was released as to its provenance. Also, the MP and MA in the past have randomly suffered from this issue - as reported in other threads - so it really seems getting a non scratching M is the luck of the draw. This is for cameras which cost about $5500. You may pull the short straw and get one that scratches, and then deal with the nightmare situation of trying to get it fixed. Or you may get lucky and have one that is perfect. I have never dealt with this before on any of my other film cameras - some which cost a few dollars, to some which are thousands of dollars. But for Leica, this is common place. And remember, they sent it back to me saying it was fixed! Which they now admit is not the case. 10 weeks in on a brand new camera. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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