LocalHero1953 Posted February 9, 2023 Share #721 Posted February 9, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Please use this thread to list all the defects in Leica kit you can remember or have vaguely heard of since the time of Queen Victoria. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Huss Posted February 9, 2023 Share #722 Posted February 9, 2023 5 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: Please use this thread to list all the defects in Leica kit you can remember or have vaguely heard of since the time of Queen Victoria. Touched a nerve, eh? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 9, 2023 Share #723 Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Huss said: Touched a nerve, eh? What, referring back to one-off defects years ago? Or someone's fairly certain they've seen a picture of a fault somewhere? We could all play that game, and fill the forum with posts; and that's before you try the same exercise with other brands. I guess the thread is diverging from its original issue because there hasn't been much more to report. Take my comments as a sign that I am genuinely interested why and how many cameras are scratching film. Nor do I have any wish (as your comment might imply) to defend Leica's QC (which has clearly failed with respect to scratches) or its service department (which failed you, and from my experience, is miserably slow and uncommunicative). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted February 9, 2023 Share #724 Posted February 9, 2023 I’m a bit upset with my vintage MP, gifted to me by my good friend Victoria. Shutter speed is out by 0.5s, so 1/1000, for example, is out by a good half a second. I’d expect better, being only 125 years old! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 9, 2023 Share #725 Posted February 9, 2023 There seem to be an awful lot of one-off defects. The new 35 1.4 FLEII shipped w broken aperture blades. The new Summiliux 35 that Leica forgot to test with the lens hood on so they missed the hard vignetting. M6/MP etc cameras scratching film. I could go on, but I think this is enough of these one-off defects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69xchange Posted February 10, 2023 Share #726 Posted February 10, 2023 I spoke with a reputable dealer and they said they open two boxes of MP’s and both of them had scratched film. These were recent production too.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 10, 2023 Share #727 Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Huss said: Did I say something to upset you? If you don't want a crutch, dump that M-A with it's rangefinder mechanism - a crutch for those not able to estimate focus - and get an MdA. Or do you not have the required skill to do that? We've had this conversation before. I have been shooting lately with my Leica Model 1, Model A…. No rangefinder, no Crutch light meter like your scratched object… You might want to try it… learn something or two about shooting without a battery to lighten up red dots so you can turn the aperture in the correct direction. Wow, real tough, isn’t it. So proud of you hus, you have the skill to match up dots. Have you tried painting by numbers yet? Edited February 10, 2023 by lmans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobW0 Posted February 10, 2023 Share #728 Posted February 10, 2023 56 minutes ago, 69xchange said: I spoke with a reputable dealer and they said they open two boxes of MP’s and both of them had scratched film. These were recent production too.. I have a new recent production M-A (2022/09) that I ran an expired roll through it. I did not notice scratches on it, but I have two rolls out being processed at two different places. When I get those back I will be sure as to weather my M-A is good or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted February 10, 2023 Share #729 Posted February 10, 2023 My whole point is that since all three film cameras are built with much the same ‘inside’ , it stands to reason that all three would be experiencing scratches. But not so or? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta100 Posted February 10, 2023 Share #730 Posted February 10, 2023 But also notice the second to last photograph, it seems Leica have moved the four screws on the pressure plate to be inline with the film perfs. It was never like that in 2010. The screws now seem to be out of the image area but would scratch the perf line if you have a problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted February 10, 2023 Share #731 Posted February 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, delta100 said: But also notice the second to last photograph, it seems Leica have moved the four screws on the pressure plate to be inline with the film perfs. It was never like that in 2010. The screws now seem to be out of the image area but would scratch the perf line if you have a problem? One pair of screws were always inline with the perforations and one pair JUST within the frame area. As far as I can see nothing has changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 10, 2023 Share #732 Posted February 10, 2023 I have merged the two three parallel threads about some new film M cameras scratching film. All were discussing exactly the same issue. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 10, 2023 Share #733 Posted February 10, 2023 Also - please cut out the ad-hominems and general backbiting. This kind of behaviour is not welcome here and does not help anyone. Thank you. 5 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 10, 2023 Share #734 Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) I reported earlier that my new MP BP (Jan 23) did not scratch a sacrificial film I ran through with the back both open and closed. I have just received back from the processors the first roll of film I have used in anger (Portra 800). I digitised it myself with the SL2-S (i.e. no ICE scratch removal). No sign of scratches on the negatives or in the images; exposures look good, as does focusing, though most images were not particularly sensitive to focusing. Edited February 10, 2023 by LocalHero1953 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted February 10, 2023 Share #735 Posted February 10, 2023 On 2/9/2023 at 11:06 AM, Steve Ricoh said: I’m fairly certain I’ve seen a picture of the MA with the leatherette stripped back showing a piece of metal covering the unused battery chamber, ie the MP and MA share the same body. Can’t remember if it was here or elsewhere, but some were complaining about the indent caused by the patch being visible as unevenness in the leatherette. I'm going to start a rumour that this piece of metal is made of zinc. 😈 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted February 10, 2023 Share #736 Posted February 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Anbaric said: I'm going to start a rumour that this piece of metal is made of zinc. 😈 An excellent rumour; zinc is often used as a sacrificial anode where saltwater electrolysis can take place, eg at sea. Just need to add the necessary weather sealing to those ‘scratchers’, which of course can be added at the first service (usually within a week or two of original purchase). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 10, 2023 Share #737 Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) There is an article in the news today about how everything is now of lower quality. Interesting and frankly depressingly obvious. Edited February 10, 2023 by Huss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topsy Posted February 10, 2023 Share #738 Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said: I reported earlier that my new MP BP (Jan 23) did not scratch a sacrificial film I ran through with the back both open and closed. I have just received back from the processors the first roll of film I have used in anger (Portra 800). I digitised it myself with the SL2-S (i.e. no ICE scratch removal). No sign of scratches on the negatives or in the images; exposures look good, as does focusing, though most images were not particularly sensitive to focusing. Good news. 👍 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted February 10, 2023 Share #739 Posted February 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, Steve Ricoh said: An excellent rumour; zinc is often used as a sacrificial anode where saltwater electrolysis can take place, eg at sea. Just need to add the necessary weather sealing to those ‘scratchers’, which of course can be added at the first service (usually within a week or two of original purchase). There may be a market here for some highly dubious accessory to 'protect' a zinc M6 - how about a black gaffer tape sticker with a small sliver of magnesium ribbon in the centre of the sticky side, which you apply to your top plate to act as an anode? It might well do more harm than good, but by then I'll already have sold 100 on ebay at $50 each, closed the account, and moved on to my next scam. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mshchem Posted February 11, 2023 Share #740 Posted February 11, 2023 10 hours ago, Anbaric said: There may be a market here for some highly dubious accessory to 'protect' a zinc M6 - how about a black gaffer tape sticker with a small sliver of magnesium ribbon in the centre of the sticky side, which you apply to your top plate to act as an anode? It might well do more harm than good, but by then I'll already have sold 100 on ebay at $50 each, closed the account, and moved on to my next scam. The only downside is having to keep camera immersed in seawater 😄 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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