logan2z Posted February 6, 2023 Share #641 Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Huss said: Congrats! Great looking camera. FYI mpex.com as excellent prices on HP5 That is a good price. Even better than my current go-to film supplier. Edited February 6, 2023 by logan2z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve Ricoh Posted February 6, 2023 Share #642 Posted February 6, 2023 If I was investigating this I would measure the position of the scratches, from a known datum, to help identify the defect or defects. Or is it rocket science? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckySquirrel Posted February 6, 2023 Share #643 Posted February 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Huss said: Congrats! Great looking camera. FYI mpex.com as excellent prices on HP5 Awesome, thank you for the suggestion! I will also subscribe to some stock alerts for other film they have since the prices are much better than where I previously purchased (Amazon & Moment). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted February 6, 2023 Share #644 Posted February 6, 2023 16 hours ago, LuckySquirrel said: So I ended up ordering this Shueido M2, a Cameraworks RLK, and a Keks KM02. Pretty stoked and can't wait to start using it! I also put my name on a few wait lists for a BP MP in the future 🙂. Give us feedback on the Cameraworks RLK. I had a Leica Quick Load for my M2 and hated it but looking back I was most likely making the ever popular mistake of not replacing the baseplate before attempting to advance the film. Nice looking kit! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymc226 Posted February 6, 2023 Share #645 Posted February 6, 2023 I just discovered Cameraworks made their own RLK. Regarding the Leica QLK on my M2s and M3, I was using it by pushing the film up to the level of the sprockets and winding the film a bit with the back open and baseplate off. My OCD didn't allow me to just close the back and re-attach the baseplate once the leader was situated between the receiving prongs. I understand replacing the baseplate pushes the film up to the correct level but I just couldn't do it until this last roll. Hopefully, I won't lose this roll of Tri-X. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckySquirrel Posted February 6, 2023 Share #646 Posted February 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, madNbad said: Give us feedback on the Cameraworks RLK. I had a Leica Quick Load for my M2 and hated it but looking back I was most likely making the ever popular mistake of not replacing the baseplate before attempting to advance the film. Nice looking kit! Will definitely let you know what I think of it! Looks like the camera is coming in on Wednesday hopefully so can provide a review on the paint job first. The RLK is in transit as of today but no ETA yet. 18 minutes ago, ymc226 said: I just discovered Cameraworks made their own RLK. Regarding the Leica QLK on my M2s and M3, I was using it by pushing the film up to the level of the sprockets and winding the film a bit with the back open and baseplate off. My OCD didn't allow me to just close the back and re-attach the baseplate once the leader was situated between the receiving prongs. I understand replacing the baseplate pushes the film up to the correct level but I just couldn't do it until this last roll. Hopefully, I won't lose this roll of Tri-X. Hopefully you're good with the baseplate (but I'm sure you will be!). Otherwise I don't think you'll ever try it again 😁. And it's thanks to @Huss that I know about the kit. He pointed me in their direction. It was a little pricey after the currency conversion, but it looks like it's nicely put together. I only have (minimal) experience with the MP loading, so should be able to say at a high level how it compares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted February 7, 2023 Share #647 Posted February 7, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've been scratching my head over scratching film. I looked closely at my 1984 M6 today and frankly this issue is a real puzzler to me. Obviously, a burr on the pressure plate could cause a scratch on that side of the film but a burr on the plate that could do that should be easy to find/identify. If a scratch is on the emulsion side of the film, it can only occur where the film runs across the part of the camera at the point where the film runs into the take-up area. AGAIN, it seems to me that would be very easy to find based on where the scratch is on the film. Are we REALLY sure the camera is causing the film scratches? I'm not offering any ideas, I don't have any. But I just can't figure out how any sort of burr in the plate/other machined area could not be easily found. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69xchange Posted February 7, 2023 Share #648 Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) I thought Leica NJ no longer works on film cameras and only digital due to lack of equipment and expertise/training?? I would probably demand it to go to Germany instead and TBH, NJ cant even get the digital M cameras repaired properly or bother to reply to emails. https://leica-camera.com/en-US/service-support/repair-maintenance Edited February 7, 2023 by 69xchange Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted February 7, 2023 Share #649 Posted February 7, 2023 On 2/5/2023 at 2:45 PM, earleygallery said: ...I have said many times I'm not sure that these scratcher cameras are down to the pressure plates but some other defect somewhere... "Cleaning and adjusting pressure plate" was Leica's first attempt to fix Huss' camera. Replacing the pressure plate was what someone reported DAG said they would do. Too bad they didn't reroute his camera to one of the know-it-alls from this thread, though 🤨 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28framelines Posted February 7, 2023 Share #650 Posted February 7, 2023 As an update, having receiving word from Tim at Leica that they had sorted the problem and me subsequently responding back asking what the root cause was that they identified, it’s been radio silence. I don’t anticipate a response at this point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 7, 2023 Share #651 Posted February 7, 2023 4 hours ago, 28framelines said: As an update, having receiving word from Tim at Leica that they had sorted the problem and me subsequently responding back asking what the root cause was that they identified, it’s been radio silence. I don’t anticipate a response at this point My response in such cases is to send a very brief email asking for "a reply to my previous email as a matter of simple courtesy". This often seems to work by leveraging the embarrassment and self-regard points of the person concerned. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 7, 2023 Share #652 Posted February 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Mikep996 said: I've been scratching my head over scratching film. But I just can't figure out how any sort of burr in the plate/other machined area could not be easily found. Yes, the whole saga seems puzzling. I'm personally open minded about where the problem may lie (and have no personal investment in whether it is pressure plate related or not) but, if it is the pressure plate, I guess it might be feasible for there to be some kind of tiny micro imperfection that is not really detectable to our touch but is enough (under pressure) to scratch the non-emulsion shiny side of the film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewl Posted February 7, 2023 Share #653 Posted February 7, 2023 Quick update from my M6 exchange journey. We agreed that it makes sense to let Leica test the exchange M6 before they send it across to avoid circulating it back and forth in case of other or the same issues happening with the replacement again. They just came back that the replacement M6 shows the film scratching as well and there seems to be an issue with the pressure plate. I am quite happy that I informed them early enough to test the scratching issue even though this was not happening with mine! Otherwise I would have received a new M6 with a different issue. This supports my assumption that there might be a general issue with the production. They will now replace my M6 with a black paint MP which seems to be available. Hope the production differs as otherwise, we might run into the exact same thing... (which is quite likely) 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted February 7, 2023 Share #654 Posted February 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jewl said: supports my assumption that there might be a general issue with the production. They will now replace my M6 with a black paint MP which seems to be available. Hope the production differs as otherwise, we might run into the exact same thing... (which is quite likely) is the plate on the MP and M6 exactly the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewl Posted February 7, 2023 Share #655 Posted February 7, 2023 vor 20 Minuten schrieb frame-it: is the plate on the MP and M6 exactly the same? Idk but as there are also threads open in this forum where recent MPs seem to scratch film I assume they aligned the new M6 to the production line of the MP or the other way around? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archive_all Posted February 7, 2023 Share #656 Posted February 7, 2023 19 hours ago, logan2z said: They must have forgotten Step 9... https://robbreport.com/gear/cameras/gallery/genius-at-work-m6-leica-1234797734/ 30 minutes ago, Jewl said: Idk but as there are also threads open in this forum where recent MPs seem to scratch film I assume they aligned the new M6 to the production line of the MP or the other way around? Maybe someone can tell if they're the same from the link @logan2zposted. The article reads like the cameras are mostly made in Portugal with calibration and final assembly happening in Germany, not sure if that's the case for the MP but you'd assume that with the old machines moved to Portugal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta100 Posted February 7, 2023 Share #657 Posted February 7, 2023 My camera came from Portugal. May be the fault came from Portugal too!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted February 7, 2023 Share #658 Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) I read in one of the many rave articles/reviews of the new M6 that all Leica film camera machinery was moved to Portugal many years ago. Assuming that is correct, all the film cameras have been made there since then... whenever "then" was. Edited February 7, 2023 by Mikep996 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted February 7, 2023 Share #659 Posted February 7, 2023 6 hours ago, wattsy said: Yes, the whole saga seems puzzling. I'm personally open minded about where the problem may lie (and have no personal investment in whether it is pressure plate related or not) but, if it is the pressure plate, I guess it might be feasible for there to be some kind of tiny micro imperfection that is not really detectable to our touch but is enough (under pressure) to scratch the non-emulsion shiny side of the film. If the pressure plate is the cause, it still may not be the pressure plate itself that is scratching the film. Having the film under slightly too much tension could be forcing the scratch at another point in the film route. Just guessing, of course. 3 hours ago, Jewl said: Quick update from my M6 exchange journey. We agreed that it makes sense to let Leica test the exchange M6 before they send it across to avoid circulating it back and forth in case of other or the same issues happening with the replacement again. They just came back that the replacement M6 shows the film scratching as well and there seems to be an issue with the pressure plate. I am quite happy that I informed them early enough to test the scratching issue even though this was not happening with mine! Otherwise I would have received a new M6 with a different issue. This supports my assumption that there might be a general issue with the production. They will now replace my M6 with a black paint MP which seems to be available. Hope the production differs as otherwise, we might run into the exact same thing... (which is quite likely) Good news. Hopefully Leica can figure out what's causing some of them to scratch and not others. I have to wonder if current production film is softer for some reason due to changes to the film itself and/or the emulsion. Like we see other industries cutting corners to save money, I wonder if something similar is happening to film. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted February 7, 2023 Share #660 Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) "Like we see other industries cutting corners to save money, I wonder if something similar is happening to film." Wonder the same thing re film... though my original M6 doesn't scratch current Ilford HP5/FP4. I've put 7-8 rolls of each through it recently - all self developed. I have some new rolls of TriX but haven't shot any of it yet. Edited February 7, 2023 by Mikep996 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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