jaapv Posted October 2, 2007 Share #21 Posted October 2, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Have you got photographs of your Russia trip? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ArtZ Posted October 2, 2007 Share #22 Posted October 2, 2007 Have you got photographs of your Russia trip? Of course, but I couldn't use the camera on the parabolic flight. It's not allowed for security reasons They're pictures of my friends. I go there at least 1/2 times a year since october 1993. The first time was when the White House was burning after Yeltsin took the power. I have great shots taking at this time. Barricades, tanks in the street, "couvre-feu", demostrations... At one moment, I could pass the barricades at the Red Square and it was a great moment. I was ALONE in the middle of the Square (nobody else was in the Square!). My feelings were so strong (so many history per square inch), I felt so small in such a huge place that I cried. I have very nice shots also of "abili noche" (white nights) at Leningrad (oops, St. Petersburg, now). I bought there a Kiev 6x6 and plenty of lenses for almost nothing. I cannot use it any more because THAT's very heavy!!! In the 90's Russia was a wondeful place. I love people there. Since Poutine has arrived to the power, many things have changed. It's not the same, but my friends are still there. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share #23 Posted October 2, 2007 Thanks for all the answers. I can see how a second body is compfortable to avoid lens changing in some situations. I am struggeling myself to get a second body or not, and one other reason is that I also really like chrome bodys but have a black one. On the other side its much harder to justify with digital bodies than it was in film times. cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent10D Posted October 2, 2007 Share #24 Posted October 2, 2007 Manuel, I'm not questioning your motives for having a second body. I'm just jealous! I can certainly understand the lens issue too. You end up with all these great lenses and it's almost a shame not to have another body to use them on ... which is why I ended up buying an M6 for about 1/5 the price of an M8 (especially after the price increase), and am frankly enjoying the heck out of it. M8 for color, M6 for B&W. Works like a charm! Admittedly I did end up buying a Nikon Coolscan 5000 ED scanner to go with the M6, which sort of upped the effective price a bit. Still, I'm happy. But for the foreseeable future I'm afraid a second M8 body is but a dream. Maybe by the time the M8-1/2 comes out I'll be ready to add another digital M to my collection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 2, 2007 Share #25 Posted October 2, 2007 Thanks for all the answers.I can see how a second body is compfortable to avoid lens changing in some situations. I am struggeling myself to get a second body or not, and one other reason is that I also really like chrome bodys but have a black one. On the other side its much harder to justify with digital bodies than it was in film times. cheers, Tom If you can, or want to, afford a second body there is NO reason not to have one. I have two, one chrome one black. This is the first digital camera I have had 2 of the same model, I LIKE IT. I did have 3 working M3's (and one in parts for a total of 4 M3's) at one time. Since getting my first M8 I sold 2 of the working M3's. I didn't find it difficult to justify 2 M8's, that is how much I like having a digital Leica rangefinder. I did find it hard to justify 2 digital Nikon cameras so I never bought a second one. When I had to send the Nikon in for AF adjustment I didn't have a problem going back to my Canon P&S or one of my M3's for the 3-4 weeks the Nikon was gone. Now I won't be without a Leica DRF and I have not shot the Nikon or the P&S or the M3 in months. I'm just about to dump all the developing chemicals as they are past there life span. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted October 2, 2007 Share #26 Posted October 2, 2007 Ken, Don't be jealous! There's no reason. I will go to Japan in the next six months. I've been plannig this trip for a while. I will take both M8s (if they're not at Solms -just kidding!) and, if you're not too busy, it will be big fun if we can go to take some pictures together. We'll exchange your M6 and my M8. It will be fun for me using again a M6 I imagine Japan must be a wonderful place to take pictures, just another world. I've never been there. When I booked my trip round the World with Qantas, I couldn't do it because you're allowed to change hemisphere only once. I had to choose between Japan and South Africa. I decided South Africa because it was winter in Europe and I wanted some sun before getting back to the hospital. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 2, 2007 Share #27 Posted October 2, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I understand that pros need a second body/M8 as a backup.I also understand thatin film times you could benefit from a second body loaded with different film. So my question: for what reason would an amateur get a second M8-body? And for those who own 2 M8s - how often do you carry both of them and how you use them? Thanks, Tom Actually Tom it is a great question and one being backup as we all know but using the second body is really handy and quick. When i was in NY and Germany it was great having say the WATE on one body and a 75 lux on the other so any quick shooting was really nice without changing lenses. Now for some folks they may use one for 50mm and above and use a 1.25 magnifier on it and the other body no magnifier and use there wide angles . I know Jack does this on a regular basis. Also with the Oscar day bag for me i may have one camera out and the second in the bag but it takes 2 seconds to grab it so for the street that is very handy. I have to have the second body for my work but when i am playing around or being a tourist it is really nice to have. Not sure i could get back to one and they both get a lot of use too so the wear and tear on one body is almost halved with having a second one. so besides costs it is a very valuable tool to have two working Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted October 2, 2007 Share #28 Posted October 2, 2007 Even film bodies depreciate but I expect that the M8 will depreciate faster. For an amateur a second body is really an indulgence but that did not stop me getting one! Changing lenses was one reason, I normally have the WATE with finder permanently on one body. But I must also admit that I 'desired' the silver body to add to my black version. Using two bodies simultaneously brings its own handling problems of course. Even so I don't regret my second M8. Finally if you have any doubts about the performance of a lens it enables you to most probably eliminate the lens/body combination from the equation. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerdoc Posted October 2, 2007 Share #29 Posted October 2, 2007 Agree with delander. One M8 has the WATE and the other a tele lens. Switching lens in the middle of a fast paced situation is a pain. But buying a second body was also a pain - in the wallet!!! Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted October 2, 2007 Share #30 Posted October 2, 2007 So my question: for what reason would an amateur get a second M8-body? Reasons: Backup: Ostensibly every M8 has the potential to malfuntion at any time. One could theoretically own ten and end up with no functioning camera before the end of a holiday. At some point one would have to rely on some other, less-costly means of backup. For me that point comes directly after one M8. Lens Changing: It takes me approximately 10 seconds to change lenses, and approximately 10 seconds to lower one camera and raise another. Lens Changing in Dusty Conditions: A 2-gallon ziplock bag assures relatively dust-free lens changes and costs considerably less than a second M8. The M8's overall lack of dust sealing makes it risky to use in extremely dusty environments to begin with, doubly so with 2. Looking Like a Pro Hmm, I've got nothing to counter that one. Demonstrating One's Income Level Ditto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted October 2, 2007 Share #31 Posted October 2, 2007 Reasons:Demonstrating One's Income Level Ditto. or Demonstrating One's Credit Card Limit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c6gowin Posted October 2, 2007 Share #32 Posted October 2, 2007 I never considered a second M8 body. In fact, I feel very fortunate to afford one M8 and a good selection of lens as a serious amature with limited finacial resources. However, I was able to borrow a second M8 plus a selection of lenses on the Leica Akademie Germany trip and was instanly spoiled with the convenience of one body with WATE and another body with a 50 or 90. I didn't realize how spoiled I became until I got back home and went back to one body. If I could afford it I would have no problem justifying it. Unfortunately, the second body will have to wait a while (perhaps till the next version) because I drained the toy account buying most of the lenses I borrowed on the Germany trip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted October 2, 2007 Share #33 Posted October 2, 2007 For those of you interested in a second or third body, I will be selling two (one chrome and one black) shortly and you'll see them in the Buy & Sell section... Mods: Please feel free to delete if this is not allowed. Thanks, Riccis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 2, 2007 Share #34 Posted October 2, 2007 Plus you hung out with me which was not a smart thing to do. LOL I'm dangerous to wallets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidigital Posted October 2, 2007 Share #35 Posted October 2, 2007 Hi Riccis, hopefully you aren't giving up on the M8 ... no matter the camera, you do some nice work. Kurt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 2, 2007 Share #36 Posted October 2, 2007 Reasons: Backup: Ostensibly every M8 has the potential to malfuntion at any time. One could theoretically own ten and end up with no functioning camera before the end of a holiday. At some point one would have to rely on some other, less-costly means of backup. For me that point comes directly after one M8. I was in the habit of taking three R bodies into the bush. There were occasions when only one was more or less functional at the end. Usually an R3. Lens Changing: It takes me approximately 10 seconds to change lenses, and approximately 10 seconds to lower one camera and raise another. That is 10 seconds. A Cheetah can cover 400 yards in that time.raising is 1 secSee my scenarios: 1. Walking through Adrenalin Bush. that is 2m high grass and bush that effectively prevents you from seeing anything stalking you. You hear a snick-snck from your guides rifle and realize you need to go to a 21 mm to get a closeup of a Lion's fangs.... 2. You are sitting in your safari-vehicle on a game-drive. That is basically a flat-bed Landrover with benches bolted to the back. Something happens at the other end of the Vlei, 1500 m's away, say a pack of Wild Dog is moving in on an Impala. You will get close, so for the shot of a lifetime you need to get down from 400 mm to 135 mm. Quick. A number of things happens: 1.The vehicle takes of a a respectable rate of knots through Aarvark-hole studded terrain. 2. You leave your seat at irregular intervals 3. You hang on to the catch-bar to prevent yourself from being thrown over the side or the back 4. You are trying to prevent your gear from hitting a. the floor, b. the windscreen c. your neighbour. changing lenses in 10 secs? I think not. Lens Changing in Dusty Conditions: A 2-gallon ziplock bag assures relatively dust-free lens changes and costs considerably less than a second M8. The M8's overall lack of dust sealing makes it risky to use in extremely dusty environments to begin with, doubly so with 2. Rather hard in above-mentioned conditions. Looking Like a Pro Hmm, I've got nothing to counter that one. Demonstrating One's Income Level Ditto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidigital Posted October 2, 2007 Share #37 Posted October 2, 2007 Jaap ... it figures that you'd travel all the way to Africa for a close-up of lion fangs ... Kurt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccis Posted October 2, 2007 Share #38 Posted October 2, 2007 Kurt: Thanks for your kind words... The M8 is an excellent camera, but at this point I am going back to using M7s... Regards, Riccis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 2, 2007 Share #39 Posted October 2, 2007 "Backup: Ostensibly every M8 has the potential to malfuntion at any time. One could theoretically own ten and end up with no functioning camera before the end of a holiday." Faulty statistics: If, as a reasonable approximation, the odds that any given M8 will fail in any given day are 1:1000, then the odds that BOTH M8s will fail on any given day are 1:1000000. Over a 10-day trip, the numbers come out 1:100 with one body and 1:10000 for 2 bodies. Having a second body squares the chances you'll still have one ready and shooting. My immediate reason for getting a second M8 body was that my first was from the early batch that needed the banding fix, so I needed something to go on with while it was overseas for 2 months. In addition to which I fully expect any RF to need occasional adjustments, so I knew I'd want a second body sometime anyway. In the meantime, when both bodies are available, I keep the Cosina 15 + finder on one, and shoot the other with the longer lenses, with or without a 28mm finder for the 21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert4321 Posted October 2, 2007 Share #40 Posted October 2, 2007 Riccis, I just get booked two more weddings this week and thinking with the extra funds to get a 2nd M8 and sell of some of my Canon/Contax gears. Is there any particular reasons that you don't use the M8? It appears your works involve certain level of wonderful work in PS and scanning film, to me, is a pain. I guess you will have to do proof book. right? BTW, I am attending Jesh de Rox's workshop in Vancouver this Nov. It would be nice to travel with two M8s. Regards, Albert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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