kivis Posted November 17, 2022 Share #1 Posted November 17, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Will the M-A ever brass? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hdmesa Posted November 17, 2022 Share #2 Posted November 17, 2022 Depends. How clumsy and accident prone are you? Black chrome is tough. Short of dropping it down a flight of stairs, you won't see much brass. Very heavy use may cause the silver zinc coating to show through along the edges of the top and bottom plates. You'll need to chip or gouge it to see the brass. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted November 17, 2022 Share #3 Posted November 17, 2022 46 minutes ago, Al Brown said: The new M6 will. It is made of brass. So is the M-A but that is not the point. The new M6 is painted, the M-A is chrome plated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 17, 2022 Share #4 Posted November 17, 2022 Whether silver chrome or black chrome it's the same chrome coating, so for guidance look at how often you see brass showing on a silver chrome camera. After the silver or black coating has rubbed away from an edge there is still the nickel coating underneath. My feeling is that by the time brass is showing the camera will be generally shabby due to it's age and use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted November 17, 2022 Share #5 Posted November 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Al Brown said: I know, it should have said *also* made of brass, but it was early. I know the feeling 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 17, 2022 Share #6 Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) M-A is either black chrome or silver chrome. It should not brass. Except extreme use for decades. Just look at silver M3 some can show brass, but they are usually in very bad shape. MP is black laquered, it can brass easily. Edited November 17, 2022 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamj Posted November 17, 2022 Share #7 Posted November 17, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, kivis said: Will the M-A ever brass? Excellent question, to which I ask when will they make the M-A in black paint like the MP. When that camera ships I will part with hard earned cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted November 17, 2022 Share #8 Posted November 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, williamj said: Excellent question, to which I ask when will they make the M-A in black paint like the MP. When that camera ships I will part with hard earned cash. You and me both! My black chrome M-A needs a little friend. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivis Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share #9 Posted November 17, 2022 Look at this "extreme" Brassing on chrome. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archive_all Posted November 17, 2022 Share #10 Posted November 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, kivis said: Look at this "extreme" Brassing on chrome. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Is that Winogrand's camera? I think you'd have to use a chrome camera as much as him to see any real brassing. I actually quite like the black chrome burnished and silvery patina though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted November 17, 2022 Share #11 Posted November 17, 2022 36 minutes ago, kivis said: Look at this "extreme" Brassing on chrome. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I wonder what grade of sandpaper was used to achieve that? 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted November 17, 2022 Share #12 Posted November 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, kivis said: Look at this "extreme" Brassing on chrome. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I feel that camera just looks dirty… I don’t mind the brass around the corners but looking at the top, I just see what appears to be grime. These cameras are expensive so at least clean them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 17, 2022 Share #13 Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) I think a bit of brassing just goes to show how many films were shot with this camera, Winogrand had over 4000 undeveloped films when he died never mind the number that had already been through it in a professional career. Edited November 17, 2022 by 250swb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted November 17, 2022 Share #14 Posted November 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, 250swb said: I think a bit of brassing just goes to show how many films were shot with this camera, Winogrand had over 4000 undeveloped films when he died never mind the number that had already been through it in a professional career. Brassing is OK if it is genuine, however when you see brassing on parts that would receive very little wear in normal use it shows it is not. Take a look at a black paint camera that has brassed and it is obvious what parts will show the worn areas. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted November 17, 2022 Share #15 Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Matlock said: I wonder what grade of sandpaper was used to achieve that? looks like someone went after it with a file or grinder wheel on a dremmel tool. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 17, 2022 Share #16 Posted November 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, BradS said: looks like someone went after it with a file or grinder wheel on a dremmel tool. It is this guys camera, genuine wear is assured https://fraenkelgallery.com/artists/garry-winogrand 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivis Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share #17 Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Matlock said: I wonder what grade of sandpaper was used to achieve that? Folks this was Gary Winograd's M4 after 4000 rolls of film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted November 17, 2022 Share #18 Posted November 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, kivis said: Folks this was Gary Winograd's M4 after 4000 rolls of film. Way more than 4000 I'd say. I've exposed more than 4000 rolls in a couple of the cameras I own and none of them looks anywhere near this bad. I can't imagine how badly you'd have to treat a chrome plated camera for it to look like this. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmans Posted November 17, 2022 Share #19 Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, kivis said: Folks this was Gary Winograd's M4 after 4000 rolls of film. Then I would say the 'real deal'... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 17, 2022 Share #20 Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, kivis said: Folks this was Gary Winograd's M4 after 4000 rolls of film. No after a using this camera in a professional career he still had 4000 rolls of film left to develop after he died. If you can’t comprehend the wear a professional camera gets don’t try to make fun of how it ends up. So what would that be, fifteen years with this camera and given his shooting records maybe 20 or more rolls a day (probably a wild underestimate), so work it out for yourself. Edited November 17, 2022 by 250swb 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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