Do I want the 2022 M6, M-A or MP?

[Anbaric]

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On 11/15/2022 at 12:17 PM, lencap said:

My hobby has been hijacked by tekkies. 

To be fair, that happened in about 1839. A great deal of discussion by photographers throughout the history of photography, at camera clubs and in the pages of magazines and by learned societies and in adverts for the latest innovations and now on the internet, has focused on narrow technical issues that are very much secondary to what you point the camera at and when you press the shutter. Maybe it's because these things are easier to measure?

[lmans]

1 hour ago, Anbaric said:

To be fair, that happened in about 1839. A great deal of discussion by photographers throughout the history of photography, at camera clubs and in the pages of magazines and by learned societies and in adverts for the latest innovations and now on the internet, has focused on narrow technical issues that are very much secondary to what you point the camera at and when you press the shutter. Maybe it's because these things are easier to measure?

You are right.... we focus too much on narrow technical issues and forget the photo itself, or what we are trying to capture. For instance, ....I was looking at this shot the other day I took. Dusty, noisy, dirty....   it is a reflection  from within looking out. It is not the noise or dirt we should be caught up in, but the aspect it is a reflection out the window looking at several people but having the inside of the building I was standing in reflected against the men. 

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Do I want the 2022 M6, M-A or MP?

Yes.

[BradS]

20 hours ago, lencap said:

...Each was technically competent, but there was no “joy” in the experience.  The gear was a tool, not speaking to me creatively.  

Expecting/wanting material goods to bring joy and to spark creativity is a problem. Joy and creative spark come from within. No camera, film or digital will solve your problem.

Edited November 16, 2022 by BradS

[Huss]

1 hour ago, BradS said:

Expecting/wanting material goods to bring joy and to spark creativity is a problem. Joy and creative spark come from within. No camera, film or digital will solve your problem.

I dunno about you Brad, but I feel a lot of joy when I use my Leicas.  And I honestly don't get that from any of my other cameras.  And it is that feeling of joy which makes me use them more than any of my other cameras.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Huss

[BradS]

2 hours ago, Huss said:

I dunno about you Brad, but I feel a lot of joy when I use my Leicas.  And I honestly don't get that from any of my other cameras.  And it is that feeling of joy which makes me use them more than any of my other cameras.

I can honestly say, no. None of the cameras that I use bring joy...but some occasionally cause aggravation.

No, I think the best that a camera can do is get out of the way.

Speaking of joy...there's nothing like exploring a river canyon in the Sierra Nevada.

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[lmans]

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How do most of you view images you see....? Postcard like, or do people slow down and take images of substance? I find most images are very 'postcard like'. Now I mention this for the focus of this posting is very valid with M6, MA , MP....all camera's of producing film, which to me are pure images. But how many people take images with film and just take images that are not worth it? ..... Right or wrong? .... 

Of the M6, MA or MP....none are better than the other in actually taking a shot, for essentially they are the same camera with slightly different features.... but do features make a camera? Why does Leica have three different camera's when one might due? jim

[raizans]

I don’t think you should buy a 35mm rangefinder, but rather a 6x6 SLR or TLR that has a built-in meter, such as the Rolleiflex 3.5F or Pentacon Six TL with TTL prism. 

Edited November 17, 2022 by raizans

[Stevejack]

2 hours ago, lmans said:

How do most of you view images you see....? Postcard like, or do people slow down and take images of substance? I find most images are very 'postcard like'. Now I mention this for the focus of this posting is very valid with M6, MA , MP....all camera's of producing film, which to me are pure images. But how many people take images with film and just take images that are not worth it? ..... Right or wrong? .... 

Of the M6, MA or MP....none are better than the other in actually taking a shot, for essentially they are the same camera with slightly different features.... but do features make a camera? Why does Leica have three different camera's when one might due? jim

Yeah I get what you're saying - and I definitely do this. I frame a lot of images up in my viewfinder and never click the shutter, it's often just not worth the film. It's worth the practice though and if I have the digital with me, I usually click the shutter anyway.  

The vast majority of the time I take an image, it's because I'm making the best frame that I can out of that scene. There is a skill to that, and like any skill it needs to be constantly practiced. I don't believe a photographer is as good after a 3 week break from the camera as he/she is at the end of a session of shooting. And whether the end result is something anyone will want to look at is irrelevant. Getting all the elements into a pleasing composition, with hopefully some nice lighting, is usually all there is to a scene. The postcard shot, right?        That one in a hundred shot where something interesting actually elevates the scene to a worthy photograph, well that's what I'm hoping for... But most of the time that doesn't eventuate, so I either click the shutter or I don't but just being there, and going through those motions, keeps me ready for when something interesting does happen.

Plus it's always better to be framed up and poised over that shutter button, wishing the scene was more worthy than it is and sometimes being rewarded, than to be watching passively from the car with the camera in still in the bag, I think.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Stevejack

[Danner]

10 hours ago, raizans said:

I don’t think you should buy a 35mm rangefinder, but rather a 6x6 SLR or TLR that has a built-in meter, such as the Rolleiflex 3.5F or Pentacon Six TL with TTL prism. 

I first bought a Leica M because I was dissatisfied with my Mamiya 7 kit (50, 80 & 150mm lenses).  The Mamiya never worked well as a hand-held camera, it really needed to be on a tripod to get sharp and clear images, mostly because of the slower lenses.  With the Leica, the fast lenses enable hand-held shooting better than any medium format camera.

[Huss]

17 hours ago, BradS said:

I can honestly say, no. None of the cameras that I use bring joy...but some occasionally cause aggravation.

No, I think the best that a camera can do is get out of the way.

Speaking of joy...there's nothing like exploring a river canyon in the Sierra Nevada.

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Leica M2, 5cm Summicron Collapsible, FujiSuperia XTra 400

I see your M2, and raise you an MdA!  Here taken with the incredible Wtulens 17mm f16 (which seems more to be an F22 lens..) and Kentmere 400.

Taken last weekend on a climb up to the summit of Mt Baldy.  I chose the MdA as it is the toughest M camera made.

[Danner]

2 hours ago, Huss said:

I see your M2, and raise you an MdA!  Here taken with the incredible Wtulens 17mm f16 (which seems more to be an F22 lens..) and Kentmere 400.

Taken last weekend on a climb up to the summit of Mt Baldy.  I chose the MdA as it is the toughest M camera made.

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Great vintage-looking shot right there.  Sharp in the field, soft in the corners, vignetting, and best of all, Ansel Adams sky tones.

[Huss]

1 hour ago, Danner said:

Great vintage-looking shot right there.  Sharp in the field, soft in the corners, vignetting, and best of all, Ansel Adams sky tones.

Thanks!  That smeary cornering and vignette is because the lens is made from two Fuji Quicksnap disposable camera lenses, sandwiched together!  Really interesting results but you need a lot of light!  They claim it is an F16 lens, but from my results it seems to be an F22 lens at best.

They also make one that uses just one lens from the Quicksnap, and that one is I think a 35mm lens w f8.  Not radical enough for me!