mjh Posted September 30, 2007 Share #21 Posted September 30, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Apart all the tech considerations already made ... I don't foresee Leica Co. to buy a sensor from Nikon... and maybe even Nikon not so willing to sell them But maybe Sony is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 30, 2007 Share #22 Posted September 30, 2007 Nikon sensors are in reality made by Sony, so if anyone is looking to buy a sensor than they have to go through Sony to do that. Frankly not the sensor i am looking for is the D3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 30, 2007 Share #23 Posted September 30, 2007 Depending on who you listen to amongst all the internet noise, Nikon has an exclusive on the sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 30, 2007 Share #24 Posted September 30, 2007 Depending on who you listen to amongst all the internet noise, Nikon has an exclusive on the sensor. Sure, but then, Nikon also had the exclusive use of the Sony sensor in the D200. Still, the variant with two rather than four read-out channels was widely available (Sony Alpha100, Pentax K10D). I expect something similar happening with the D3 sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share #25 Posted October 1, 2007 Like someone else posted here, low light flashless photography is the biggest weakness of the M8 and the major reason I suggested using the D3 sensor or one able to match its performance. If there is any single failing or limitation of the M8 that stands out above the rest it is the inadequate low light performance. Yes, I can do tricks such as way underexposing at 160 and then bringing it up in post processing but this is not the right answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted October 1, 2007 Share #26 Posted October 1, 2007 Like someone else posted here, low light flashless photography is the biggest weakness of the M8 and the major reason I suggested using the D3 sensor or one able to match its performance. If there is any single failing or limitation of the M8 that stands out above the rest it is the inadequate low light performance. Yes, I can do tricks such as way underexposing at 160 and then bringing it up in post processing but this is not the right answer. Absolutely inadequate, and a terrible weakness. I'm so frustrated I'm ready to just toss the thing. Honestly, it can't do flashless low-light photography any better than this at ISO 1250 in a cave-like restaurant? What good is the thing? M8, 50 Lux, 1/45@f/1.4, ISO 1250, filter. Converted in Lightroom (default sharpening and capture noise reduction), cropped and curves adjusted in Photoshop. No additional noise reduction. no tricks such as way underexposing at 160 and bringing it up in post-processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted October 1, 2007 Share #27 Posted October 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) And what about this? You can barely count the eyelashes! For $5000, I want it to be able to identify the subject's DNA in total darkness. Same details except 1/90 (there were actual incandescent lightbulbs instead of just candles for this one). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted October 1, 2007 Share #28 Posted October 1, 2007 yeah it is so easy cheat at BW mode Noisiest sensors can produce nice images at BW but not always colours. Thankfully, I'm more interested by BW so this sensor is more than enough. This applies my rd1 also (especially when it is processed at Adobe application) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy Posted October 1, 2007 Share #29 Posted October 1, 2007 I'm with Tomas on this. There have been endless discussions of how to optimise your shooting technique and post-processing workflow to get decent images out of the M8 at 1250 and 2500. But I think the point is that there shouldn't have to be. It ought to do a superb job at these sensitivities, and, if we put our hands on our hearts, can we honestly say it does? It has superb lenses. It has superb ergonomics. It has superb clarity of resolution thanks to that missing AA filter. It has superb high-ISO performance. Which is the odd one out there? I'll take my M8 to 640 happily. 1250 unhappily, and only for B&W work. And 2500 only when I'm aiming for 320 but the scroll-wheel goes mad... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 1, 2007 Share #30 Posted October 1, 2007 Guy i don't think you would get to much of a argument here. I stop at ISO 640 but a 1250 that looks like 640 would make my day. We need at least another stop elbow room Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy Posted October 1, 2007 Share #31 Posted October 1, 2007 Guy i don't think you would get to much of a argument here. I stop at ISO 640 but a 1250 that looks like 640 would make my day. We need at least another stop elbow room Nice to dream about it, isn't it! And maybe they'll retro-fit the new sensor into my M8 for a nominal fee... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted October 1, 2007 Share #32 Posted October 1, 2007 As fantastic as the D3 high ISO-quality might be - I personally like shooting people from not too far distances and personally feel much more compfortable with something in the size of the M8 and the small M-lenses. While the D3 will probably deliever better I am still convinced that you can get pretty good low light images with an M8. I see the advantage of the d3 for indoor sports, but I wouldnt want to carry the d3 in a church, hold it into a kids face at a birthday party or shoot people in the street with it. However its still intriguing, specially since I own the Nikon 28/1.4 and 85/1.4 and think these lenses should rock on such a sensor. I just wish they put in into a d300 one day (and then would offer something comparable to the 5d). Sometimes I really wonder how many in the end really need and use the high ISO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 1, 2007 Share #33 Posted October 1, 2007 I would never go past 1250 on any camera. M8 i stay with ISO 640 and don't jump much higher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolm.mcintyre Posted October 1, 2007 Share #34 Posted October 1, 2007 The D3 will sell shed loads, (the D300 will sell warehouses full), to happy customers who will then have to shell out for chiropracters to treat their neck strain. What has this to do with the M8, which is a camera you carry in your coat pocket? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 1, 2007 Share #35 Posted October 1, 2007 The D3 will sell shed loads, (the D300 will sell warehouses full), to happy customers who will then have to shell out for chiropracters to treat their neck strain. What has this to do with the M8, which is a camera you carry in your coat pocket? A chiropractor won't help if you develop spinal stenosis, but a neurosurgeon might. I don't recommend carrying any camera around your neck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share #36 Posted October 1, 2007 I was never talking about buying a D3, only having an equivalent sensor in the M8. I must be the only one that finds he needs higher ISO to get a decent shutter speed in low light such as at dinner in a nice restaurant (not shooting the dinner that doesn't move but the people in candid moments) with no flash. ISO 1250 or even 2500 doesn't always do it. Sometimes you need ISO 5000 or 6400 (shooting color not B&W). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli45 Posted October 1, 2007 Share #37 Posted October 1, 2007 I would never go past 1250 on any camera. Why? If you had a camera that could produce a quality image at such a setting why would you not use it? That would be like me just proclaiming, "I never shoot below 125th of a second shutter on any camera." What would be the reason? There is a time and place for everything. Including (a useable) ISO 1250. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thpeters Posted October 1, 2007 Share #38 Posted October 1, 2007 Beside more wishes for the M9, it needs one thing for sure: Automatic Dust Remover. Theo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 1, 2007 Share #39 Posted October 1, 2007 Why? If you had a camera that could produce a quality image at such a setting why would you not use it? That would be like me just proclaiming, "I never shoot below 125th of a second shutter on any camera." What would be the reason? There is a time and place for everything. Including (a useable) ISO 1250. Noise i still see it in every camera out there cranking out 1250 and above and that includes Canon and Nikon and also i see lose of detail. Less severe than leica but it is still there. I know that statement won't go over well but i still see it and still a firm believer in the lower the ISO the better the noise just like it is with film and grain. It's a old school thought that i can't let go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted October 1, 2007 Share #40 Posted October 1, 2007 This ISO 6400 shot by Dave Black shows why a lot of sports shooters will be toting the D3. Personally, I prefer the more film-like look of images from the M8 at lower ISOs and would much rather shoot with a nocti for low light images. But if my living depended on shooting in situations like this one, I'd have the D3s for sure. BTW, not much noise to find in this shot, Guy, unless you count the sound of the skates scraping on the ice. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/34590-maybe-m9-will-have-new-nikon-d3-sensor/?do=findComment&comment=367060'>More sharing options...
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